LSU vs. USC for #2 in the BCS.....The definitive answer....Look No Further

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  1. TigerFan90

    TigerFan90 Too far away from home

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    I really don't think we'll get the bump in the human polls if USC knocks off Ore. State. If it is true that a ND victory dumps us out of the Sugar, then the only way in we'll be either an Ore. State victory over USC, or a bump in the polls which we shouldn't really be expecting.

    Another thing. With a lot of the writers seemingly banking on a UGA victory in the SECCG to end this BCS nightmare, I would suspect that if such did not happen, said writers who vote in the polls might make sure to do their able best to keep USC as the #2. If enough voters defect to LSU, then chaos in the media will result. Some people may want to see that, but I think most media types do not. We are up against a lot of obstacles. The only thing that we can ask of our Tigers is to just leave it all on the field and not worry about the rest! :)
     
  2. CalcoTiger

    CalcoTiger Live Long and Prosper IVI

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    I say thanks too.

    Alot of work looking into this computer rankings.

    Good work.

    Geaux Tigers
     
  3. TejasTiger

    TejasTiger Founding Member

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    UPDATED Scenarios Including....Big XII Implications?

    Yup, according to CollegeBCS.com, the winner of that game may indeed impact ever so slightly the Strength of Schedule spread between LSU and USC.

    In sum, EACH and EVERY scenario in which Kansas State wins IMPROVES LSU's chances. Palm gives no explanation as to why, but I'll take his word on it, him being the expert and all.

    Sorry I can't copy/paste a URL since this stuff is subscription only, but since I'm giving full credit to the source and this is technically only an excerpt taken from the site, this should be okay to reproduce here:


    SOS Difference Scenarios What LSU Needs to Pass SC

    USC .12 ND, Haw, OU Lead in 6 of 7, UGA BCS #8

    USC .08 ND, Haw,KSU Lead in 6, UGA BCS #8

    LSU .04 ND, BSU, OU Lead in 6 of 7, UGA BCS #9

    LSU .08 ND, BSU,KSU Lead in 6, UGA BCS #10

    LSU .08 Syr, Haw, OU Lead in 6, UGA BCS #10

    All other combos---Syr, Haw, KSU/Syr, BSU, OU/Syr, BSU, KSU--- result in LSU needing only to finish ahead of SC in 6 of 7 (threre are a couple of 5 of 7 scenarios, but they are baesed on UGA BCS finish of 8 or 9, which obviously will not happen w/ LSU win)
     
  4. TejasTiger

    TejasTiger Founding Member

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    I know, I know, law of averages is quite inexact and doesn't really apply well here, but consider this:

    What are the odds, really, of La Tech, Florida, Alabama, UAB, Kentucky, Bowling Green, Boise State, Syracuse, Oregon State and Kansas State ALL LOSING last weekend and this?

    Going 0-10 seems almost...impossible to me, especially since all but the Ken-Tenn, USC-OSU and KSU-OU games were essentially toss-ups or at least competitive on paper.
     
  5. ramah

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    Hey, Tejas or ISTL

    Did you hear of ANY scenarios if Notre Dame wins ... that LSU can still get a Sugar bid?
     
  6. TejasTiger

    TejasTiger Founding Member

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    I think that ND, BSU, KSU mix is the only one.

    THAT'S what caught my attention when looking at Palm's site: it's the first time I saw a scenario where we *might* (as I think 6 of 7 and UGA at #10 should be classified as, "might"--not a yes, but not a no) still pass SC.

    Wouldn't get my hopes up, though, just mentioning it as still a possibility if/when Syracuse loses tomorrow.
     
  7. tpb

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    The other scenario is that LSU takes care of business and defeats Georgia convincingly (not necessairily have to rout) and one of the polls swings LSU's way. I'm beginning to believe that LSU has a chance with them, though not a good one. Even Rome is starting to say that LSU deserves to go, although he believes USC is the better team.

    While it seems like a lot of polsters would have to change their mind, I'm of the mindset that most of those who aren't obviously biased might just do that given a solid LSU victory.

    In either case, LSU must have the W and then the rest will play out accordingly. I also believe that if LSU plays well the CBS announcers will be tooting our horn throughout the broadcast. We'll see. As they say...it ain't over 'til it's over.

    All this BCS talk has given LSU great publicity and should help recruiting. We couldn't buy this much press and media coverage if we tried. It's a great time to be an LSU fan, no matter what. One thing for sure, LSU HAS their respect and HAS arrived.
     
  8. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    That's the first I heard of it from Tejas. I read the Brad Edwards article as well and he reiterates the same thing. I sent email to Rich Tellshow to confirm the .08 difference in SOS between LSU and USC should Notre Dame, KState and BSU win.
     
  9. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Rich Tellshow emailed me back and did not come up with a 2 spot difference in the SOS for LSU and USC in the scenario of Notre Dame/Kansas State/Boise State winning combo.

    UCLA falls behind both LSU and USC in this situation, so that doesn't help anything. He projects Texas Tech to still be ahead of LSU by .00004. The only thing I can think of is maybe the BCS rounds to the 4th decimal and Tech and LSU would be tied in the SOS standings.
     
  10. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    I think Rich only figured in the loss by Oklahoma against Tech's W-L opponent's record. Seven of Tech's opponents also played Oklahoma, so I think that is the difference. I just did the SOS calculation for Texas Tech and they finish 1 spot behind LSU and 1 spot ahead of USC. Go Tech!
     

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