LSU gives NCAA material it got from Lyles' service

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  1. LSUDad

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    $6K isn't a lot of money when it comes to recruiting. Check the numbers. Schools spend a ton more (Flights, food, rooms, etc) for coaches to see a kid. This info also helps when you play someone in a bowl game, you can look at players they have, find a weakness, do some homework, etc. You want any advantage in these games. It also helps when a kid from another state shows an interest in your school. Is it worth the effort to recruit the kid? To send a coach out? Can he help your team, is he a problem kid?

    Too many questions can be answered for just $6K.
     
  2. bhelmLSU

    bhelmLSU Founding Member Staff Member

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    True, that is close to the going rate for the amount of information provided. When Cal was asked why they went with Lyles instead of the scouting service he worked for in the previous year, they said because Lyles was charging half price.
     
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    Nothing like a dirt-bag with whole sale prices!

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  4. lsu99

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    Although I don't know much about Lyles and probably haven't been keeping up with everything as closely as many of you guys, Lyles was portrayed in a decent light by the yahoo sports writer that broke the initial story.

    The yahoo dude said Lyles initially wouldn't return phone calls asking for an interview. When they finally got together, Lyles was described as personable and intelligent. His dad was well respected with NASA and his wife was in the process of wrapping up her final year of med school. Basically, the yahoo guy was saying that Lyles didn't fit the initial impressions they had of him.
     
  5. geauxtigs

    geauxtigs Tigers Forever

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  6. Cajun Sensation

    Cajun Sensation I'm kind of a big deal Staff Member

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    ESPN Article:


    Willie Lyles sold video to LSU with no recruiting value - ESPN


     
  7. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    Why is this breaking news? It's what we already told the NCAA isnt it?
     
  8. Cajun Sensation

    Cajun Sensation I'm kind of a big deal Staff Member

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    I think it's the details that's breaking news.
     
  9. bhelmLSU

    bhelmLSU Founding Member Staff Member

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    ESPN is not giving all the facts which is expected. They probably only mentioned about 4 of the DVDs included in the package we purchased. We bought the package mainly to get film on Juco players and one was Mett and his teammate who was a WR we were close to offering. Many other examples, LSU has it covered.
     
  10. Herb

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    This is exactly what I suspected. The videos of "players already playing in the NCAA" most likely also contained video highlights of players in JUCO colleges that were eligible to transfer to NCAA schools in the year that those videos were purchased.

    Another point worth noting...I have heard chatter of fans worried that the Lyles investigation coupled with the recent NCAA probation over the Hicks/McCarthy fiasco might mean trouble for LSU.

    From everything I have seen and read regarding LSU's involvement with Lyles it appears that this was a legitimate transaction and LSU went out of its way to ensure that it received legitimate products commensurate with the purchase price they agreed to. It looks highly unlikely that LSU did anything wrong here.

    Even if they did, the NCAA can not impose harsher penalties due to the fact that LSU has been placed on probation because any potential violation regarding Lyles (which it appears like there has been absolutely nothing wrong done) occurred well before LSU was placed on probation.

    I also believe that the NCAA has little to nothing on Oregon, frankly. There is nothing illegal with a service provider charging one price for one client and a higher price for other clients. This happens every day in business. As an example, when I do IT consulting I often charge $50/hour for some clients, $75/hour for others, and $100/hour for others. The determining factor of what I charge is based on the complexity of the work as well as what my impressions of what an individual business is willing to pay.

    If Nike can throw around large amounts of money for athlete endorsements, why wouldn't Lyles believe "Nike University" might be willing to pay more for his scouting services than other state universities? Just because Oregon may have overpaid for Lyles' services does not necessarily mean they were actually paying for access.
     

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