All joking aside, Moffit dropped a few notches in my estimation because of how Ciron Black was played into oblivion. Ultimately it was Miles that is responsible for playing Black despite career ending injury, but Moffit and the training staff have to shoulder responsibility for not lobbying Miles to safeguard the health and safety of Ciron Black. The whole coaching staff had to know what was going on with Ciron Black and should have played the healthy backups instead. The whole coaching staff is at fault and needs to shoulder the blame.
It is on the doctors that cleared him and the timeline of the injury which no one knows for sure. If Black wanted to sit he could of but he didn't want to obviously or didn't feel a need to. His supposed rumored knee replacement surgery came after his LSU career and the reason the NFL dodged him. Black is no baby he made he and his family made the choices that they thought were best for him.
how do you know this was a career ending injury? i dont. as bhelm said, there were rumors. rumors that turned out to be false (knee replacement) that caused the nfl to shy away from him. add to that, it very well could have been a non-career ending injury, but that when passed on, ciron himself may have decided not to pursue the nfl. there are things such as insurance and injury waivers when players have previous injuries. at what point to those waivers become potential financial liabilities to the player? most of what we have heard about ciron has been rumor and innuendo. but there is nothing, i repeat, nothing, that points to the coaching staff knowing that he had an injury they knew would end his career and playing him anyway. this. we dont know what the injury was, as i stated before. ciron, his physicians, and probably his parents did. i dont see all of them ignoring something that could put his future in jeopardy.
So I guess the case you guys are making is that he went from the best offensive lineman in the SEC in his junior year to getting pushed around in his senior year to getting injured after his LSU career was over? Could be... You're right. I don't know what happened to Ciron. I am not privy to any inside information at all, but connecting the dots (in the most parsimonious manner) leads me to the possibility that he had a chronic injury that began sometime after his junior year and progressed to the point that he was so debilitated after his senior year that every NFL team passed on him in the draft...in free agency...and in rookie tryout camps. Somewhere, somehow, the NFL was able to see from afar what the LSU doctors, training and coaching staff could not see in the locker room or on the field towards the end of last season. Maybe the backups should have been starting especially if he was injured. There seems to be more here than what meets the eye. I'm not trying to open a can of worms in an effort to dump on Miles or the LSU staff. Look, I like Miles and am one of his sunshine pumping defenders...but if I have the opportunity I'd ask Miles what really happened to Ciron...one of my favorite all time LSU players. It says a lot about Ciron's character the way he befriended that little boy in the hospital in Memphis. I feel bad that he's injured now. I think the NFL scouts go on more than unsubstantiated rumors that are so easily checked out by a physical. (By the way, nothing but respect on this end for the opinions of two of my favorite Tf posters.)
not saying that at all. i am not disputing he was injured. i am saying none of us know how bad it was, if it really was "career ending", or who made decisions. all we have is speculation if we dont hear directly from ciron what happened. i am not going to dump on a coaching staff in this case without knowing. because there are a lot of things that "could be". but i do not see in anyway anyone on the coaching staff playing someone who had a "career ending" injury. especially given we have already had wild ass rumors turn out to be unfounded regarding this young man.
Not saying you are trying to open a can of worms but that the facts are not all there to connect the dots. Tons of players from college, NFL, baseball, etc... play with injuries and they are usually nagging. Some elect for surgery after college and some wait till after they sign but any surgery with Ciron is just speculated. NFL teams do not draft you on your current condition but rather the risk that something could occur later and knees for OL are one of the biggest risk if not the biggest factors in the NFL. OL are the largest expense for a team overall. Ciron, his family, and his personal family doctors made a decision to hold off if surgery was needed and play his senior year like many college athletes do. He played with some nagging injuries and production dropped some but so did the entire OL and the loss of Quinn Johnson did not help the OL support either. Maybe he could have sat out his senior year and been drafted and later decided to get a surgery if needed but he chose to not go that route. Best offensive lineman in the SEC is subjective as well given he was playing out of position his entire LSU career. He even practiced and played during the senior bowl and actually opened some eyes during the week playing OG. So obviously he was not on crutches after the season because the injury was so bad. He could get on the field and produce just not at the level he did his senior year and I am sure there was some adjustments that had to be made to produce consistently at OG at the senior bowl practices. Maybe he really messed up his knees training before the NFL draft or better yet while doing a private workout for a NFL team where everyone in the NFL would know to stay away pretty quickly. We just don't know. But if I had to guess something happened leading up to the draf in regards to the seriousness of his knee or knees. All the medical evaluations of his knees on his future by the NFL team doctors is the reason he was not drafted. It doesn't end there and I am sure he has to make a decision to pursue a career or go another route in life which isn't uncommon.
all fine and understandable. however, okie made a very, very fine point earlier about the possibility that ciron may not have wanted in on the NFL.
