Williams wore 44 with the Chiefs and 22 with the Raiders. In 8 seasons he rushed for 3952 yards and 20 TDs, with a 3.9 ypc. The Chiefs drafted him in the 1st round (no. 21) and then started him just 7 times in 3 seasons. The Raiders got much more use out of him. Harvey Williams NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com
The busts have come at an alarming under Coach Miles. If you look at the relative success of players under Saban, I think it stacks up really well against any other school during that time period (2000-2004). But wow the kids coming out in the last 4 years are embarrassing this school.
Not going to go into a deep debate over this statement, but want to make an observation of arguments related to Miles success at LSU. Up until 2008 many would claim that Miles success was solely due to Sabans players still being on the team, yet these very same players are being considered busts in the NFL. And here we credit Saban for churning out better NFL players than MIles. The argument can't go both ways. Miles players are just getting in the NFL 2008-2009, these players can't be labeled busts yet, they just started. Players before that were Sabans players and according to some their talent was what he instilled in them. I would argue that actually, with the exception of maybe Russell, none of them can really be labeled busts either, but are getting a bad rap due to KC sucking so bad they have to blame someone. You can't have it both ways. You can't credit Saban for creating these great players that were part of LSU's success even after he left, and then blame Miles for these same players being busts in the NFL. Now say that Miles and staff get credit for the LSU success regardless of Saban recruits, and then blame Miles for these players at the NFL level, ok. As I said though I would still argue that they really aren't a bust after only 2 yrs in the NFL, they just play on sucky teams. Notice how most of the ones that play on good teams aren't considered busts. Addai, Faulk, etc. They may not be "Sweetness" but they are far from busts.
I knew someone would go there. All I can say was these same players were last coached and last affected by the environment of the Les Miles regime.
I think one thing we can agree on is the recent history of LSU players falling flat in the NFL is hurting future prospects and it certainly showed in this year's draft.
This I will agree, and maybe between the poor press some players are getting at the NFL level, and the poor showing in this years draft will be the slap in the face our current players need. If I were a coach on this staff I would make sure they knew that this is the perception of LSU players at the next level, and if they want to get to NFL and have a solid career they need to get back to the attitude of fighting to get it, and stop acting like they are entitled to success just because they play for LSU.
We can? Hurting future prospects? Really? I suppose you can agree with yourself, because it's clear to everyone in the country that this year's "prospects" are as good or better than anyone in the country. May even be the best LSU class in a decade, if current "trends" continue. I would love to see any proof of:
really? who? black, alem, woods, holliday, scott, cjones? all these guys had solid problems---college performance, injuries, measurables. the closest i can think of that dropped more than expected is lafell, and two of lsu's last three drafted WRs look ok (doucet, bowe). maybe hawkins wouldve been drafted under saban.
