Les Miles

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    maybe they were running on fumes, but all he had to do if you remember that game was not sit on the ball going into halftime when we had great field position and play for a field goal. if you have no faith in your team, why play.

    as far as 08, i have to say that even more than a freshman making stupid decisions, was our defense, the promotion of 2 unproven guys to co-coordinators? Plus sticking with Jarrett Lee as long as he did, the players falling apart and making dumb ass decisions with penalties all year? Prime example is the the drive Arky put together when our defensive line just started committing dumb personal fouls, and Alem kicking the ball. They were undisciplined, and that is a direct reflection of your coach.

    Miles is a good coach, i just think he is one of those guys that has it in his mind the way it is going to be and nothing will ever change that.
     
  2. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    i never said miles was faultless. i said that the 08 season was on coaches and players both. and you can have faith in your team, but not full faith. if you see they are running on fumes mentally and physically, i can understand why you would pull back and not set them up for even more mistakes by going all out. or calling plays you are sure every member of the team can pull off . those mistakes can cost you too. did it work? no. but im not paid the big bucks. miles has won just as many games with decision making no other coach would dare. so i give him a pass.

    i think most coaches are the way you say. hell, most of the people on the board are that way. :hihi:
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Stupid, stupid thread.

    Bear Bryant went 6-5-1 in the 1970 season and some Bama "fans" were calling for his head.

    Let's save the bitchalysis for after the loss, please.
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    somebody please call the retirement home, the old loon has gotten loose again.

    who is calling for anyone's head. i guess you don't have enough time in between bathroom breaks to actually read anymore. Its cool gramps.
     
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  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    you put up a good arguement, i can see that.
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    You are bitching in advance so I'm doing a preemptive smackdown.
     
  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    no one is bitching, and you certainly didn't smack anything down. if you want to actually make a point instead rambling please feel free to do so.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Most folks think miles is audacious, not conservative. Other SEC fans call him reckless, even--going for five straight 4th downs, fake field goals, fake punts. Jimbo Fisher was conservative and that was one of the issues between he and Miles.

    Some of the losses above had nothing to do with conservative play, others were conservative because we had little choice. Being conservative is not a fault. The good coaches know when to be conservative and when to be bold. Fortune favors the bold. LSU has a tremendous record under Les.
     
  9. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    your definition of "had no business losing" and mine are completely different apparently.

    UT '05 --> team had basically zero semblance of normal fitness/training, went on an impromptu trip out west, came back and got delayed due to another hurricane. team ran out of gas in that game.

    AU/UF '06 --> we lost to the national champs, and the only team to beat the national champs both on the road. "Had no business losing"? really?
    could we have won those games? yeah. but if losing to those teams is unacceptable, your expectations are too high and you'll never be happy.

    KY '07 --> should not have lost. no excuses.

    Arky '07 --> got beat by the best rb tandem in the SEC. sucks, but these things happen in football.

    all of '08 --> we lose to the national champs (UF), only team to beat national champs (Ole Piss), a team that went 12-0 in the SEC (Bama), and a team predicted to make a run at the MNC (UGA). that is a damn near impossible gauntlet to run with a GOOD qb and better than avg. def. We had neither last year.
     
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  10. LSUtiger327

    LSUtiger327 Pow right in da kissa

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    A-freaking-men

    nothing illustrates this more than the contrast btwn miles going for it on 4th in 07 compared to 08.

    he had the guns and the confidence in his players in 07 and more than not his chances paid off at unheard of clip.

    in 08, he had a swiss cheese defense and detriments (sorry, they were) at quarterback.

    he didn't didn't gamble nearly as much last year and with good reason.

    most of you play cards and/or gamble or at least understand it.

    it's a hell of alot easier to be bold when you get dealt a good hand. it's not gambling, it's just smart.

    in 07, the AU last play, the fla game going for it 5 times. chance favors the prepared mind, people.

    of the games you mentioned lasalle, i'll give you tenn cuz despite katrina miles coached like he had it locked up (see his inexcusable loss to UT when he was at okie st) despite how bad conditioning was at the time due to the hurricane.

    i don't fault him (really) for either of the 06 losses.

    also the UK game, even if scott was hurt (i can't remember if he was or not) losing that game was rough i think it was chalked up to a letdown game (after the epic battle agianst fla that year).

    arky was poorly executed and coached to a certain degree but much of that had to do with us not being able to stop the run.

    last year was easy to pick apart so i won't but how much of that was coaching (offensively i mean)? execution on the field was horrific especially on offense and it wasn't just the QB.

    but good luck finding a coach that doesn't always seem to lose a game that they shouldn't in any given year. meyer has them, carroll has them, stoopes, tressel, brown, beamer, (and even saban) has them.

    no coach wins every single game he should.
     
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