Les Miles is making me sick

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  1. alfredeneuman

    alfredeneuman Founding Member

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    The part that's most disturbing is this continual lack of a decent QB. Cam did what was expected with whataberger, but neither of the current QBs have shown the ability to stay focused and manage an entire game. And there's no one waiting in the wings for the "future" as far as I know. If power I is supposed to be the bread and butter of this offense, why recruit dual-threat QBs and not let them play that way? Is Cam only good at developing pro-style? Of course, none of this really matters if the O-line sucks ass.
     
  2. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    No. He turned Randle-El into a madman at QB when he was at Indiana. Further, Jennings and Harris both ran spread-type offenses in high school, so we're trying to make them do something they're not necessarily cut-out for.

    Evidently, Grimes has instituted a zone blocking scheme, which is what spread teams use.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Power run teams use zone blocking, too. Lots of NFL teams use it. Cameron used it at San Diego and Grimes had huge success with it at Auburn, whether running the spread or the I-formation.

    It requires offensive linemen with some foot quickness and lateral speed, instead of the traditional road graders. They have to be able to quickly side step and get reach blocks on defensive linemen, but it is designed to open holes for running backs. It is also simpler technique than man-blocking when facing shifting, stunting defensive linemen. It may be that the big Studrawa offensive linemen haven't mastered the technique. It may require a year or more of development and recruiting to have the right players to do it properly. I am not confident that this line learns anything quickly. On the other hand, we lose most of this line in January. Expect to see some more athletic, even if slightly smaller, linemen in the future. Men like Pocic.

    It also takes a smart fullback who can quickly read whatever hole opens and get through it to block the linebacker.
     
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  4. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Come on....When Cam got his hands on Mett he already had a full year's experience as a starting QB in the SEC West, plus a year starting for one of the top JUCOs in the country. Jennings and Harris are babes-in-the-woods by comparison. Give them time to mature and develop, especially Harris, who appears to have much more upside.
     
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  5. LSUDad

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    You do know that Seattle and Denver use the Zone Blocking scheme? So do the Saints, Ravens, and many more NFL teams. Today every NFL team uses some form of zone blocking but not all of them rely on it entirely. The plus side of Zone Blocking is that it has consistent rules, with teams using multiple fronts, stunts and blitzes, these rules are used, they do not change.

    I can make a list of college teams that use zone blocking, if needed?
     
  6. alfredeneuman

    alfredeneuman Founding Member

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    I'm not disputing that at all, Mett was older and more mature. But there was a noticeable difference b/t year 1 Mett and year 2 Mett. And I agree Harris looks like he has more upside. I guess we've just been spoiled, me included, with not really needing to have an all-world QB if everything else in the offense was in synch.
     
  7. Eliminator55

    Eliminator55 May God Help Us.

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    If anyone is the troll, it's you, Red. It's too bad for all of us that you just can't see it.
     
  8. Eliminator55

    Eliminator55 May God Help Us.

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    You're too busy sucking Les' twins to ever see anything else. So, I guess you can't be blamed.
     
  9. SEC_GrapeVine

    SEC_GrapeVine Freshman

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    Harris is the #3 DTQB in the class and was the top performer at George Whitfield's Shark Week which included Bryce Petty, and several other Heisman contenders. Miles has a class, possibly his last class, full of elite talent, but that kind of talent will go to the modern offensive programs where their skills will be showcased so that they can pile up big stats, be all-SEC, Heisman contenders, and top draft choices. His offense last year could have been 13-0 with a DTQB. DTQBs add another man and force the defense to account for him, especially operating out of the shotgun which to me is the only alignment that makes sense because the ball can be distributed to any of 4-5 WRs, RBs, or kept within one second. Mett was a sitting duck with zero mobility and NFL scouts blamed all of LSU's losses on Mett's targeting too few receivers, throwing into double and triple teams, as in the 3 consecutive INTs to Beckham vs Ole Miss to start the game. That happened because he was told the week before that pro scouts were in the stands oohing and ahhing ever time he threaded the needle in double coverage. His composure meltdown vs Georgia and particularly on the final series w/Bama where a single QB scramble or pop to Hill wins the game really stand out. I think Miles has a bunch of old school coaches riding into the sunset telling their coach what he wants to hear, and Miles is muzzling his team that is as divided as any locker room has ever been. He does not realize that the top spread option HUNH offenses leading the West and the nation are scoring an avg of almost 60 pts per game with over 600 yds of offense, twice what the SEC was doing 2 yrs ago. Last yr when Saban finished the yr 0-2 against spread option teams and watched 2 spread option HUNH teams fight for the SEC title, running up over 1200 yds of offense, he read the writing on the wall and after losing the 10 sec rule he said last week "the spread gives offenses a huge advantage over defenses, and I have recruited faster defenses to help, but it gets down to you have to be willing to accept that you will give up 40 pts, and that is OK if you score 50-60. If you put big D men on the field, you cannot get them off, and they are a liability." Miles is averaging 2 yds/att out of the I w/2TEs in relevant games, and when he let Cam go to a 4 and 5 WR set late against Wis he had the >15% Gap advantage in the line against 2-3 DL fronts and that left Hilliard 10' holes to run through. He has underutilized LF7 as a battering ram, put him in the penalty box for 3 wks for under performing against a 9 man front, for celebrating a TD, and for supporting Harris. Harris came in with 2 min of playing time, down 3 scores, and Miles said he told him to "go win this for us". BS!! He only put him in after Jennings got his bell rung for the 3rd time. He then went on to say that 70,000 fans he cleared out of the stands (after his first Night loss in 43 games other than to 2 #1 teams) would have missed and iconic moment if Harris had won the game. If he had not been forced to put Harris in for garbage time the score and yardage differential would have been so bad that we would have fallen out of the top 20 and Moo State could have been ranked even higher, and they probably should be.

    The Spread Option begins and ends with the QB in the Shotgun and why would anyone say Harris is not a top DTQB, or evaluate him on his limited min of playing time? Jennings is the problem. He is regressing and is laser-locked on his roomate Dural while all the rest of the team watches. But Jennings has not passed for a TD in 2 games and Dural has not caught a TD pass so that story all along was that the SEC will not let him do that and they did not. Jennings averaged 0.5 yds per rush, rushing more times than Magee and Hilliard, was sacked 5 times, fumbled twice, and was terrified.

    Harris is elite talent. George Whitfield after working with Harris (who had already added 20 lbs @ 204 lbs, 6'3") at his top Shark Week session with the best QBs playing this year is confident that the nation’s No. 3 dual-threat quarterback has the tools to make early impact at the college level:

    "There isn’t a quarterback in this class with his arm talent,” Whitfield said. "You can print that and write that. There isn’t one kid. He will develop and he will get bigger.

    "He reminds me of (Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston). Jameis was only 6-foot-2 and 190-pounds when he was at Elite 11 at that same age.

    "The ability to distribute the ball out there is huge. The defense has to guard the width and depth of the field at all times. Having that quarterback that wears you out up the sidelines, down the seams and over the top, that’s an incredible advantage, especially for such a youngster.”

    Cam recruited Harris. And for the those who wondered about Moo State future QBs after Prescott, who is a true run-first QB and not the passer Harris is, well State has 3 more backups, including two at 6'5", 6'6" and 240-250 lbs.
     
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  10. GregLSU

    GregLSU LSUFANS.com

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    It's too bad for all of us having to read your bullshit, that you can't make a post at all without talking shit on LSU. Change your tune or go back to your gump board.
     
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