Lengthy, unprecedented suspensions might be in the future

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  1. Mezmorizor

    Mezmorizor Founding Member

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    Mezmorizor, Mar 4, 2012
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  2. Jean Lafitte

    Jean Lafitte The Old Guard

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    The NFL Commish should focus on punishing the guilty persons with fines. Don't punish the fans, who are completely innocent, by harming the competitive ability of the Saints.
     
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    Gambling on the games is the most damaging thing you could do to harm the NFL. This is not gambling, nor is it filming opponent, so I don't think it will be so bad. Then again, Roger Castro Goodell is the authority, so Payton, Williams and Loomis will likely get 20 years to life in prison.
     
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  4. fanatic

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    Everyone's talking about the Saints like they're a dirty team, with John Clayton saying it's worse than Spygate (which I totally disagree with) but I've watched almost every down from this team in each of the last 3 season, 2009 in particular because that's obviously when we won it all, and with the exception of a few personal fouls that every team gets and dirty hits by Bobby McRae on Kurt Warner and Roman Harper on Steve Smith, there was nothing dirty about this team.

    As for beating the crap out of Favre, the Saints said ahead of time, before those games even started, that the game plan was to go after the QB. Hell, Gregg Williams even said before the Super Bowl that they were going to give P. Manning some 'remember me' shots, so when you come out and say those things in the media before the game is even played, how can you hold players and coaches accountable after the fact? I'm not saying the bounties are right or ok, but they don't necessarily make the Saints dirty, as the media has implied.
     
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  5. Mezmorizor

    Mezmorizor Founding Member

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    Yeah, but remember that the Saints haven't made any friends in the NFL front offices. It sucks, but it's the way it is. Hopefully we'll be able to avoid a death penalty like punishment, we'll be able to recover from suspensions, but getting rid of several year's of early draft picks would likely be too much to recover from for a while.
     
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  6. Tiger_fan

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    Kyle Turley is saying he wants the NFL to seriously consider suspending Brees:

    NFL.com news: Turley: NFL should seriously consider suspending Saints' Brees

    Former Saint Turley questions Brees' role in bounty-gate

    Kyle Turley calls out Drew Brees - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN
     
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  7. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    The McCray hit on Warner was perfectly clean and legal. He was a QB who had thrown an interception and was moving to attempt to make the tackle. Was only a few yards from the ball carrier, as a matter of fact (the int. had been by Will Smith, who had dropped into an underneath zone coverage). He failed to "have his head on a swivel" and McCray put his shoulder pad solidly in his chest. It was actually a textbook legal open field block.

    I also feel Spygate was worse than this. That was a deliberate attempt to alter the competitive balance of the game through illegal means. The Saints' actions may have been against the rules, but players offering their teammates a little extra pocket cash for making a big play did not give the Saints an illegal or unfair competitive edge in any game.

    Nor am I inclined to believe that the payments were aimed at injuring opposing players. Its stupid to believe a player would be willing to take a dangerous cheap shot at an opponent to pick up $1500, when the league has routinely thrown around $10,000 fines for such actions.
     
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  8. b_leblanc

    b_leblanc That's just my game...

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    Kyle Turley...what a little bitch.
     
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  9. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    The scary thing to me is this....there will be no "trial" here; the league has already declared them guilty. The only possible damage control is to try to prove that the payments were only for big plays, and not for "knockouts" or "cart offs." That might at least minimize the penalties, especially considering how many current and former players out there are saying that this practice is not all that uncommon. Darren Sharper is already out there saying this. So where are the rest of them? If Sharper has it right, where are Vilma, Will Smith, Porter, Shanle, Greer and on and on....
     
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  10. fanatic

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    It was a legal hit, true, because it didn't draw a flag, but wasn't he fined by the league? I may be wrong about that. But regardless, I felt it was an especially brutal hit.

    But, the whole point of my reply was to say that, regardless of paid bounties or whatever, the Saints are not a dirty team. I don't think they deliberately tried to hurt anyone.
     
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