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  1. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    What was Tulane?
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    We were getting ready for Bama. Clearly Lee needed all of the work he could get.
     
  3. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    And it worked.
     
  4. ccgw

    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    I agree with you completely. Yes, Lee's mistakes, plus some by the WR's, gave the game away. Otherwise, we would have won it. It was a painful loss; and I feel sorry for Lee as he's probably the one who feels the worst, and having to face his team-mates this week in practice. He seems to push a bit too much at times trying to make a play, VERY REMINESCENT of JR, but not having the luxury of an extra year's experience under his belt. I see his attempts also as a sign of his confidence of his passes, like JR. He should not lose that, and keep on fighting the adversity.I honestly hope he can finally get over this hurdle, as he is still a fighting TIGER. We, as fans, as well as his teammates should continue to support him. I am sure Les does! One silver lining (and a comforting one) from the Bama game is that the defense finally stepped up and played very well ( if they hadn't, that might have a significant impact on the hi end defensive players we are still recruiting).



    Yes, we have to ride this thing out. I somehow have a feeling the team will continue to get better.......

    I disagree with some of the criticisms laid on Crowton; he can only call plays bases on what he has on hand, and not be reckless.


    Nice points there. Clair was posting accurate info; we should have known and tone down our expectations of Lee. I hope Lee learns to finally control his nerves/adrenalin as they seemed to be responsible for the overthrown passes to the open receiver, and some of the picks.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Lee's been learning the system for nearly 2 years. At the beginning of a career knowledge is probably more important than talent. Do they throw JJ in there and see if talent can overcome his lack of knowledge of the system? Certainly not against the teams we've been playing. SEC West is gone. Top 5 opponents are behind us. Now is an appropriate time to begin working JJ in.
     
  6. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    Lee was most effective when Hatch was going in and out to allow Lee to settle down. They should've started that against Tulane.
     
  7. TwistedTiger

    TwistedTiger Founding Member

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    I definitely agree with that. If he's now #2 that was your best chance to get a good look at him and get him some PT. I don't consider 5 hand offs on the last drive getting him PT either. Ready or not, if he's #2 he needs to be playing against the weaker teams at least. He should have come in and run some option against Bama. Surely, surely we will see more of him this week.
     
  8. GizmoPicou

    GizmoPicou Founding Member

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    If you think the girl on the plane prompted me to post, you are an idiot. And I have no comment on what your wife thinks. Ill leave that alone.

    I've been reading a lot on here for years. In a year that everyone expected a 2-3 loss season, I see a football team that could have won 2 of the the 3 losses LSU has gotten. I don't understand all this complacency for the 3 losses. We play to win. Period.

    And if you haven't caught it, this is what prompted me to post.

    When we place all the blame on a freshman QB, here in lies the problem. Coaching should receive most of the blame. You do not give a chance for mistakes when you know they will happen. You learn from mistakes, not hope for the best.

    When the play calling is not consistant with what is working (i.g. the run up the middle using Scott and Keiland), and a pass play is called that eventually ends up in an incomplete or and INT it kills the flow of an offense.

    As Dandy Don has said,
    "There are many Tiger fans, including myself, who are also having a hard time understanding the play calling. Usually when a team runs the football on first down and gains five yards or more, they can continue to run power plays with a high likelihood of picking up five more yards in the next two plays. According to one of my readers who charts all the plays, LSU gained five yards or more five times in the game and then did not follow with power plays on second down and third downs. I did not understand the third down call in overtime when LSU needed close to nine yards for a first down and threw the ball into double coverage deep in the end zone, and I did not understand punting on fourth down and two on Alabama's 38 yard line. In 2007, Les Miles would not have hesitated to go for the first down or would have used a fake punt."

    "I believe most of the blame for the loss to Alabama has to go to Lee and Coach Gary Crowton because of play calling and the four interceptions."

    Dumb post... No. Educated... Yes.
     
  9. TwistedTiger

    TwistedTiger Founding Member

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    I don't see what's so hard to understand. Crowton can not run his offense with a QB that can not complete a 5 yard pass to a wide open receiver yet you will not win in the SEC without throwing the ball. The QB and the defense are dictating the play calling.


    I'm a DandyD fan and can't believe that he can't comprehend that you can't run when the D puts 8 and 9 men in the box. Yes LSU got some 5 yard gains on first down and Bama walked everyone to the line of scrimmage the very next play looking for the run. You absolutely have to throw the ball in those situations, the odds are stacked greatly against you if you do not. Bama has a quality D, you are not going to run the ball every play against 8 and 9 man fronts and consistently move the football. Watch the replay, see how many times Bama stacked the box, you have to throw the football to keep them honest.
     
  10. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    Isn't it interesting that when CLM and CGC were making daring, quirky, unconventional, head scratching calls last year people never questioned them because they were successful. We even gleefully called him Lesticles. Now, every minute detail is being questioned. Sounds like bandwagon to me.

    It's obvious and unfortunate that JL is young and not ready. It's also obvious to me that our very well paid coach did what he thought gave us the best chance to win. Had the questionable pass been caught in OT, CLM and JL would've been heros.

    Cooler heads need to prevail here and trust our defending national champion coach to put JJ in when he feels it is the right time (more than likely this weekend). Stop bashing JL and give the kid a chance to grow.
     
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