I wouldn't say Peyton is a fraud but his struggles in big games, like this Super Bowl are well documented. You can't say he didn't have D this year, the pundits talked about it all week, how the Saints O would struggle against it. For me, the biggest part of the game was the Saints D, held one of the best offenses in the league to only 17 points. Thats the biggest story here IMHO.
According to the so called "experts", Manning is/will be the best QB of all-time. I can agree with that on one condition. If you say best regular season QB of all-time. Manning will probably hold all the passing records (yds, TD, etc) when his career is over. And that's all fine and dandy, but he damn sure won't hold any playoff records. He has proven over and over he is not a big game QB. For whatever reason, he's not the same QB in the playoffs as he is in the regular season. In 10 post-seasons, the Colts are 9-9 including 6 times being one and done. They did win a SB, but they had the fortune of facing Lovie Smith and Sexy Rexy in that game. When the Colts face team's with a good QB (Brady, Brees, etc), they usually don't win. Let's take Brees on the other hand. He just beat 3 HOF QBs in 3 consecutive games to win a SB. And also beat Brady, another HOFer, in the regular season. Now i'm not saying Brees is the best of all-time, but does Manning have this on his resume? I think not.
Glad to see you believing what the media is shoving down your throat. I can name probably 10-12 QBs who would have won 3 or 4 Super Bowls with the teams Brett Favre played with in his career. Same thing with Peyton Manning. In the 9 losses in the playoffs, the Colts averaged an embarrassing 14 points per game. In almost every one of those losses, the defense played well enough to win the game. He even managed to put up a bagel against the Jets in 2002. Who does that? Hell, add Dan Marino to that list as well. Guy was a bum when it mattered most. I think it's easy to fall in love with Elway's arm strength or Marino's quick release or Favre's play making ability. The media plays these things up so much it obscures even the most ardent viewer as to the reaility of the situation. I can understand that. These guys are fun to watch. I will give you that all day long. My top 3 QBs of all time to watch would probably be Favre, Marino and Elway. But to put them in the best of the best is an injustice to those that truly belong there. Hell, everyone would be shocked to know that Aaron Brooks has a higher career QB rating than John Elway. That puts things in perspective. And that's why Elway was never a champion until he had a RB behind him that arguably had the 2 best seasons back to back in NFL history. They didn't win based on Elway's arm. He became a game manager at that point in his career. Easy to overlook stuff like that.
Not so fast my friend! I could care less about stats. John Elway is one of the best big game QBs of all-time. He was the master of the 4th quarter comeback. When the game is on the line, no one was better than Elway. Brooks can have the better QB rating, Elway went to 5 Super Bowl's, winning 2 of them. Your right he didn't win one until he FINALLY had help. But the first 3 he basically got there by himself. Even the great MJ didn't win a title until he realized he couldn't do it by himself. Joe Montana didn't have the greatest stats either, but he won when it counted. Manning is a stats QB, Montana and Elway were winners.
Montana's stats blows Elway's stats out the water. Montana had the stats and Super Bowls to show for it. Thus he is the best. I agree Elway had the knack for a 4th quarter comeback and should thus be rewarded for such an important component of the position. Even with all that, the Broncos QB was a mixed bag of post season results. He was 8-8 going into the last 2 seasons and had failed to win a Super Bowl. Thank god they had a running game. It saved his legacy. His career QB rating in the playoffs is a lackluster 79.7. He was 76-152, 1128 yards, 3 TD, 8 INT in his career in Super Bowls. In this article he is rated 10th best of all time. Like I said, a mixed bag. The 10 Greatest Postseason Quarterbacks in NFL History | Bleacher Report
Bingo. At one time he held the record for most 4th quarter come from behind victories. SF with Montana as the QB had better owners, coaches, and players than Denver.
when I referred to montana's stats, I meant regular season. According to your other thread his reg. season stats were ok. But he shined in the playoffs. Now Elways weren't that great in the playoffs I agree. But he was pretty much alone his first 3 super bowls. He didn't have a Jerry Rice, a John Taylor, a Dwight Clark, a roger Craig, a Brent jones, etc. But when he got help, he won. He might have been only 8-8 in the playoffs before he won 2 titles, but at least 3 of those loses were in the Super Bowl!
