Judge blocks federal funding of embryonic stem cell research....

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  1. LSUDieHard

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    Applications using ASC:

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  2. mindy

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    BECAUSE THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR THIS WORK!


    The reason ASC have any research going on with them and ESC do not is because there hasn't been any gov't funding for ESC research!! Not b/c ASC are superior. We'll never know if ESC have any advantage over ASC or USC if we don't get money to work with them and see.
     
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  3. Swerved

    Swerved It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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    If that were my source of income, I'd disagree too.

    There are some problems with embryonic stem cells. Simply put, they're so active they are unstable. This has been an issue for years, and in many cases lab animals develop tumors where they're used because their growth isn't easily controllable. Also, there's a "significant" chance of rejection since they come from another "being" and contain different DNA than the new host.

    On the other hand, adult stem cells can be harvested from the same person that needs them. They offer less worry about rejection and other adverse effects, but the biggest problem is they're hard to identify, harvest, refine, etc.. and they're usually only harvested in minute numbers. Also, on the opposite side of the spectrum from ES cells, they don't grow as well and are a bit more limited as to the types of tissue they can be used to treat, though as previously posted they're making pretty good progress working with them in many areas.

    So to summarize: ES cells have tremendous potential (minus the debate) if they can be controlled, but rejection can be a problem. AS Cells are more controllable and cause less problems with regard to rejection, but despite the long list of applications, they are more limited as to what types of tissue they can be used to repair. So you got one type that can conceivably do just about anything, but they can't figure out how to make them do it. And you've got one that is more limited, but is closer to being a practical treatment on a long list of conditions. This is all just what I've read on the subject so don't go thinking I'm a self-proclaimed expert, because I'm far from it, like the most of you.

    I don't really have a dog in this hunt ethically or morally, as I'm pretty neutral to the religious aspects of the subject. I consider myself to be somewhat of an agnostic. I would say if ANY of our federal tax dollars are going to be used on research, then why not dump the money into the one that seems the closest to producing usable results? To me, AS Cells seem to be the more practical of the two choices.

    It's like the whole Mars thing.. Sure it's possible to go there in theory, but the Government figures since it's so hard to do, it's not worth spending the money on. So now NASA's priority is something easier like Muslim outreach :huh:.

    Perhaps stem cell research isn't a gamble we should be taking at this time either, seeing as the US National debt increased about 250 million in the time it took me to post this.
     
  4. LSUDieHard

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    Again, not true. Under Clinton, Bush, and Obama federal funds have been used for research on existing lines of ESC. They did not allow federal funds to be used to destroy an embryo but funding for research on existing stem cells was allowed. States and private donors and corporations also fund ESC research with far less restrictions than those imposed upon federally funded research. You may wish to make an argument for more funding but to say that there is none is inaccurate.
     
  5. red55

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    I don't deny this. I deny that humans are sacred.

    Stem cell research is a lab procedure and a part of preserving life. Your problem is with fertility clinics, perhaps.

    Does it breathe? Can it exist independently? Once again, why is human tissue a problem with you. You don't object to animal stem cell research, I presume. It's a religious morality issue. Admit it.

    It is you who are confused. These eggs were donated for research and so was the sperm. No murders were committed.

    Oh, well I know a guy . . . :rolleye33:
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Cite your source, please.

    Then tell us something about these 73 applications. You suggest that they all are successful and fully developed and scientifically valid and that ESC has no applications in any of these or any other applications, which is nonsense.

    Here is a paper published in Nature regarding ESC applications for Parkinson's disease, just to mention one. Neural subtype specification of fertilization and nuclear transfer embryonic stem cells and application in parkinsonian mice

    Here is another paper publish by the American Heart Foundation where ESC applications in several cardiac research areas, including developmental biology, functional genomics, pharmacological testing, cell therapy, and tissue engineering are discussed. Derivation and Potential Applications of Human Embryonic Stem Cells

    There are many more published scientific papers out there that shoot down the notion that ESC research has no applications and that ASC research meets all needs. ASC research has many applications but that does not preclude ESC from having applications as well. You just neglected to mention any.
     
  7. LSUDieHard

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    I never said anything about sacred. I said that human life is special and of value. That is why we have laws to protect it. Do you think its ok that the chinese use homeless and poor as organ farms? After all there is nothing special about humans. Just animals.




    After destroying it. The good that could come of it is built on the needless destruction of life. Adult and umbilical stem cells can be used alternatively. Why should we use embryonic cells at all.

    And yes I surely have a problem with in vitro. It is a disgusting practice.


    I get that you think there is some magical point when a bunch of mung magically becomes a person. But whatever that point is, is arbitrary. Breath, independence? Nonsense. Conception is the beginning of life. What I know, and the study of embryology teaches us, is the moment the spem and ovum join a unique and new organism exists. At that point it is not human tissue it is human being. But leftists only care about science when it suits them.

    And then those eggs are inseminated. And a new person exists, until its stem cells are sucked out and it is killed.


    Like I figured. You can't address the issue.
     
  9. red55

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    It's not my problem if you decline to consider the scientific literature on stem cell research. I gave two clear examples. The evidence is there is you look for it. Scientific evidence.

    I thought so.

    stemcellresearchfacts.com is a popular (ie, non-scientific) website that advocates adult stem cell research and acts like ESC doesn't exist. That's where you got your ASC list, not one of which they cite with scientific evidence. It does not account for where you get the notion that there are zero applications for ESC, which is ridiculous. This a site with no institutional credentials that seems to have an agenda.

    Try a balanced site like that from the National Institutes of Health. The National Institutes of Health resource for stem cell research

    Or the International Society for Stem Cell Research.


    These institutes cover all scientific stem cell research fairly. The fact that ASC is valuable does not prevent ESC from being equally so.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    To you! It's not so to martin. People disagree about what constitutes human life and you know this well. We need not rehash old ground.

    Discarding it also destroys it. Wyy waste something with the potential to cure diabetes or cancer.

    They offer advantages not found in adult stem cells, this has been documented. I have no problem with adult stem cell research. Just with those that try to inhibit science over their personal (and religious) objections.

    You would deny parenthood to couple who have difficulty conceiving? Why would you be so cold-hearted? Because of your religion, my friend. The Pope condemns it and you must obey, I understand. Try to understand that he is just an elderly celebate in Italy to me.

    Don't you? At some point this happens. Your religion has decided that it is at the point of conception, even if it a lab procedure using donated adult cells. I don't image that I can know where that process takes place but I believe this . . . not every scrap of human tissue constitutes a human being. I believe people should be able to donate their own cells for research that benefits mankind.

    Your definition, not the law's.

    What issue? You say that you have a friend that is an expert, so your position must be accepted?

    Get the hell outta here! :grin:

    Amigo, I've worked at a major research university for 31 years and I know hundreds of experts in almost every discipline. Do I invoke that to try to win a debate on the internet? Of course not, it's absurd.
     

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