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Jordan Jefferson to take reigns over offense next season

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Attack Tiger Reformed Sunshine Pumper

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While I agree with Nootch in that we should be cautiously optimistic about Jefferson, he did a few things Saturday that I haven't seen an LSU QB do in quite some time:

1) Stepped up in the pocket to sell the run, then dropped back and threw. Granted, you can only do this if you are a legitimate running threat (which he obviously is), but it's a very effective tool if you don't overdo it. Tebow has made a living doing this.

2) Pump faked. Now, he didn't complete the following pass that he threw, but still, I don't think I've seen a Tiger QB do that since Rohan. It's like the coaches have been telling them that it's illegal.

3) He went through his progressions to find an open receiver, rather than locking onto his hot route. That's something that we haven't seen all year.

Now, there were a couple of times when he hung back in the pocket a little too long and got sacked. But he will improve in that area over time, as his timing and peripheral vision improve.

These few small things (well, #3 isn't that small) don't necessarily mean that he is ready to be the chosen one just yet. However, they demonstrate that he has great instincts as a quarterback, and can do the little things that often make a huge difference. He seems to be a very natural fit, and plays with a lot of fire (another knock on Lee).
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Point number one: I'm sure that was more the playcall than his natural instincts.

Point number two: The last time I saw an LSU Quarterback pump-fake, it opened a floodgate of pick-sixes. But I get what you're saying...it can be a useful tool when used correctly.

Point number three: Spot on.

I would add Point number four: He seems to have a rapport with his teammates and actually communicates with them between plays. That's a sign of leadership, and we DESPERATELY need that from our QB.

Lastly, playing with fire and intensity is great, but it's not neccessary. Flynn was ice on the field and he did some great things.

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Miles explained that JJ not being ready had to do with the handful of plays they are comfortable giving him. Miles said he was not ready to play a full game, as the offense would get predictable and easy to stop. Lee has a few more formations and plays they can run, so that's why he was the man. Just a neutral observation, we can play Big Herman at QB as long as we are winning.

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Attack Tiger said: ↑

Point number one: I'm sure that was more the playcall than his natural instincts.
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Doesn't matter if it was. He executed it very well. I'm sure Tebow's are by design, as well...

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Point number two: The last time I saw an LSU Quarterback pump-fake, it opened a floodgate of pick-sixes. But I get what you're saying...it can be a useful tool when used correctly.
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It doesn't count as a pump fake when you're simply pointing to which receiver you're going to throw to, then do so a second later (see Lee vs AU).

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Lastly, playing with fire and intensity is great, but it's not neccessary.
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I'd say it is when the rest of the team is walking around like friggin' zombies. The QB's personality often shapes that of the team, and sometimes, your leader needs to get fired up. Lee lacks that ability all together.

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If I have a gripe against the way Miles has used JJ its that JJ should have played at least a quarter or more against toolame – I would rather have his initial extensive game time experience against the greenies rather than a fired up ole missy team – I thought he did remarkably well considering the circumstances – I think he has more upside than Lee – we will learn a lot more about this young man Friday

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FredSez said: ↑

If I have a gripe against the way Miles has used JJ its that JJ should have played at least a quarter or more against toolame – I would rather have his initial extensive game time experience against the greenies rather than a fired up ole missy team – I thought he did remarkably well considering the circumstances – I think he has more upside than Lee – we will learn a lot more about this young man Friday
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I'm really looking forward to that. I would LOVE to see him come in and take this offense to its potential and lay the groundwork for next season. Voters need to see what we've got so that we can hope to start next season somewhere in the top 15.

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Contained Chaos said: ↑

While I agree with Nootch in that we should be cautiously optimistic about Jefferson, he did a few things Saturday that I haven't seen an LSU QB do in quite some time:

1) Stepped up in the pocket to sell the run, then dropped back and threw. Granted, you can only do this if you are a legitimate running threat (which he obviously is), but it's a very effective tool if you don't overdo it. Tebow has made a living doing this.

2) Pump faked. Now, he didn't complete the following pass that he threw, but still, I don't think I've seen a Tiger QB do that since Rohan. It's like the coaches have been telling them that it's illegal.

3) He went through his progressions to find an open receiver, rather than locking onto his hot route. That's something that we haven't seen all year.

Now, there were a couple of times when he hung back in the pocket a little too long and got sacked. But he will improve in that area over time, as his timing and peripheral vision improve.

These few small things (well, #3 isn't that small) don't necessarily mean that he is ready to be the chosen one just yet. However, they demonstrate that he has great instincts as a quarterback, and can do the little things that often make a huge difference. He seems to be a very natural fit, and plays with a lot of fire (another knock on Lee).
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Excellent post.

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Somewhat off-topic, but somewhat pertinent:

Playing flag football last weekend, our team goes in to huddle. One of our guys who had been playing wideout didn't come over to the huddle, claiming, "I'm just gonna be Brandon LaFell. I'll just run some hot route that the coaches tell me from the sideline. Oh, but don't worry, I'll just drop the pass anyways."

Which he did, to perfection. Oscar caliber stuff.

Point: JJ looked incredible. Not just doing the little things, like Chaos said (I lost my junk when he looked for the safety, pumped, and then went the other way) but most of his incompletions, and his interception, were due to DROPS! I can't wait to see what the future has in store for this fella.

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Contained Chaos said: ↑

While I agree with Nootch in that we should be cautiously optimistic about Jefferson, he did a few things Saturday that I haven't seen an LSU QB do in quite some time:

1) Stepped up in the pocket to sell the run, then dropped back and threw. Granted, you can only do this if you are a legitimate running threat (which he obviously is), but it's a very effective tool if you don't overdo it. Tebow has made a living doing this.

2) Pump faked. Now, he didn't complete the following pass that he threw, but still, I don't think I've seen a Tiger QB do that since Rohan. It's like the coaches have been telling them that it's illegal.

3) He went through his progressions to find an open receiver, rather than locking onto his hot route. That's something that we haven't seen all year.

Now, there were a couple of times when he hung back in the pocket a little too long and got sacked. But he will improve in that area over time, as his timing and peripheral vision improve.

These few small things (well, #3 isn't that small) don't necessarily mean that he is ready to be the chosen one just yet. However, they demonstrate that he has great instincts as a quarterback, and can do the little things that often make a huge difference. He seems to be a very natural fit, and plays with a lot of fire (another knock on Lee).
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I'm looking for a big game from this young man Friday. It's Arkansas, so the game should slow down for him considerably, as opposed to him having to make his first start against, say, Georgia. And if he does well, it will be a big confidence booster going into the bowl game/next season.

G_MAN113, Nov 25, 2008

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friedriches said: ↑

(I lost my junk when he looked for the safety, pumped, and then went the other way)
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As did I. I actually yelled 'Holy sh!t, a pump fake!!' before he even threw the ball.

Contained Chaos, Nov 25, 2008

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Contained Chaos said: ↑

1) Stepped up in the pocket to sell the run, then dropped back and threw. Granted, you can only do this if you are a legitimate running threat (which he obviously is), but it's a very effective tool if you don't overdo it. Tebow has made a living doing this.
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Here is what can happen when the quarterback is a legit run threat:

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9k_Ece2Bd8[/MEDIA]

HatcherTiger, Nov 25, 2008

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