Jefferson's the starter vs. Florida

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  1. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Florida has started off very slow every game.

    LSU needs to take advantage of that if it wants any chance at winning come the 4th quarter.

    The number I look for is a 10 point lead at half. Then we just need to hang on.
     
  2. tigermark

    tigermark Rematches suck!

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    I've thought about it. I still feel the same way. (a guy on a message board not changing his mind... big surprise...)

    I don't understand putting the team in the hands of a guy you have little faith in for the sake of trying to show faith in him. That is lying to him and putting your team in danger. They don't have faith in him for a reason. It is not made up, it is not a fairy tale. He throws the ball to the other team way too much and it is not because the coaches haven't shown faith in him. It is because he makes bad decisions. Putting fake faith into him won't help and might just make it worse.

    Be honest with him. Don't tell him that everything is rainbows and sunshine. Let him know that you see the mistakes he makes in games and in practices. Don't pretend that he is worthy of putting all your eggs in his basket when he is not. He will see through that fake trust. When he has earned it, he will get it. He had in in 08. He can get it back.

    Play both QBs until one separates. And no, JL has not separated from JJ in my mind and obviously not in the coaches mind.
     
  3. lsu_dane

    lsu_dane Founding Member

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    That's what you're bringing to this thread? Really?


    As far as JJ starting goes. I don't buy the whole "Helps establish the run" angle for him starting AT ALL. If anything, JJ being in the game allows defenses to stack the box because they don't have to worry about the throwing game. JLee being in game is a FAR better way to establish the run since defenses have to actually worry about passes and hence won't be able to stack the box allowing easier running for Ridley or Co.
     
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  4. lsu_dane

    lsu_dane Founding Member

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    You mean the mind that didn't think to give JJ two plays with 30 seconds left and no time outs? Or the mind that thought it'd be a good idea to try and sub in players with under 15 seconds left? Perhaps the mind that said this was "just another week in the SEC"?

    Or was it the mind that asked the non starting, BACK UP QB to come off the bench and lead the team down the field, and then is going to ask him to go back and sit down on the bench for the next game?

    Some minds I have no faith in.
     
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  5. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    What old form? The Chick-fil-A Bowl in 2008? He's not in a slump. What you see is what you get. He has started 18 games and nothing has changed.

    Miles + Jefferson = Haslett + Brooks (and I think we all know how that worked out)

    Lee was clearly the better QB last week. Will he make mistakes?....absolutely

    Does he give us a better chance than Jefferson to win the big games?...absolutely

    We've made every excuse imaginable for JJ from...lack of starts...to youth...to experience, yet we still crucify JL for what happened when he was thrown into the fire after RP was kicked off the team and Hatch was injured.

    Some seem to have a double standard for Lee.
     
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  6. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    no one should be surprised, Miles did the same thing with Lee when he couldnt tell the difference between the jerseys he was throwing too. Miles didnt pull him until he got hurt. What makes you think he will pull JJ. He isnt doing any of these kids any favors. Id let Lee go the entire way against Florida, let JJ sit and try to get his head together. If Lee shyts the bed, then you can bring in JJ.
     
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  7. tigermark

    tigermark Rematches suck!

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    No, I mean the mind that puts PP at Punt Returner and spells him on D with a true freshman in Mathieu. Or the mind that has Ridley running the ball almost exclusively. Or many other coaching decisions that before the season would have brought the arm chair QBs out screaming and ranting.

    So your theory is that they have had made so many good personnel decisions and understand their players strengths and weaknesses in EVERY other position except QBs... right... Sorry, it is not so simple as "the coaches are morons in every facet of the game because they screw up the clock management issues". That is a pathetic argument and intellectually dishonest (as would be the argument "we're 5-0, the coaches are geniuses" and we can agree how stupid that argument is).

    Oh, and in your second "point"... I am glad you have the inside scoop that JL is going to ride the pine and not play against UF. I am sure that Meyer will be happy to have that nugget. Coming off of the bench and sharing time is NOT the same as riding the pine. And one or two nice plays does NOT lead to turning over the reins blindly. Practice performance, scary moments last week, and many many many mistakes in past games need to be taken into account.

    It was pretty clear to me that they told the QBs that JJ would handle clear running downs and JL would handle clear passing downs. There were a couple of times that JL came in for JJ in long yardage situations last week. I expect JJ to come in during clear short yardage and goal line situations.

    The reason they sent JJ in there to run it was because they had decided that they were going to try to win this game with our strength: running the ball. They didn't think it through or have an adequate plan. Blame them for that. Not personnel decisions.
     
  8. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    It seems like a lot of fans are in favor of this. Unfortunately the only opinion that matters belongs to the guy who seems to dislike hearing the fans' opinion regarding this offense.

    I sat in the Georgia Dome and watched Jefferson as we beat Georgia Tech and was happy about his performance. I figured with more reps and a spring camp under his belt he would become a quality starter. As last season began I had concerns about his decisions, lack of leadership, clock management, etc. but attributed those to his youth and inexperience.

    As the season progressed I saw little progression and shifted some of the blame to the coaching staff, O-line, and receivers. As I sat in the pitiful muddy mess they call the Capitol One Bowl and watched Jefferson again have no clue that the clock was running, I lost all hope he would ever succeed.

    Along came the spring and I heard reports that Lee was looking good but Jefferson would probably start. I hoped for an older, stronger, more mature version of JJ to take the field to lead us. Instead I see the same endless project that still makes the same mistakes he exhibited during the past 18 starts.
     
  9. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    what you are describing is poor coaching, yea some of it is on Jefferson and Lee, but the Cap One Bowl game was all coaching, running a middle screen with no time outs, etc, etc. These guys have been ruined to a point and its on them to figure out that they have to really think for themselves. Lee seems to want to do it more than Jefferson, he still thinks he is playing well.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    after thinking about it, and thinking about it, and thinking about it some more. I actually agree with Coach Miles on this one. Jefferson should start this game. Hear me out before you roast. Jarrett Lee hasn't started a game since La Tech last year, a game that he didn't perform well in at all. This is Florida, on the road, a huge game in the SEC and probably the biggest college football game this week. 4 of the last 7 national titles between these 2 teams. Maybe Coach just doesn't want to put any more pressure on the quarterback who is going to be asked to play the majority. Now, do I think it was a mistake to not start Lee earlier in the season, yes I do, but that's over now, and we gotta go with what we have. Start Jefferson, make the defense defend him, take all of the pressure off of Jarrett Lee, and bring him in on the 2nd series or during the first series.
     

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