Jay McGwire to write tell all book.

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  1. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    How is Mark McGwire a drug abuser? He used HGH the way they're supposed to be used.
     
  2. Bayou Bengal11

    Bayou Bengal11 ~Orlando Tiger Coonass~

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    I have alot more respect for Mark McGwire than I do for Barry Beef Roids Bonds, Rafeal Palmerro, and every other baseball player that just hasnt been caught yet
     
  3. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    Bull****.. If you believe that i have oceanfront property to sell you in Oklahoma.
     
  4. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    McGwire did not use them improperly. Everything that I have read or heard tells me that he was monitored and followed the correct cycles. He did not hurt himself by using them. In fact, he used them to treat recovery from injury. He had a history of being unable to finish a season early in his career due to injury, but when he started taking them the injuries either stopped or it didn't take him as long to recover from them. At his peak, he broke the single season record for homeruns.

    Now exactly did he abuse the drug?
     
  5. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    He used them to cheat. Tough **** if he could not finish a season. That is his and the team trainer's problem. He used steroids to gain an unfair advantage. How was he monitored? Jose Canseco in the bathroom stall at the local truck stop? Does he have the prescriptions that Dr. Jose Canseco or Curt Wenzlaff wrote for him? Because we know both of those guys are upstanding members of the medical field.

    Prescription drug abuse - MayoClinic.com
    The use of a restricted drug without proper authorization and management of a Doctor is considered improper, ill-use use. So by definition 1 and 2 of your quote, ABUSE.


    If he did nothing wrong why did he lie about it for so long? Why did he clam up in front of Congress? Why did he run away from baseball when the rumors started?

    Years / AB / HR / AB per HR
    1987-1995 / 3606 / 274 / 13.16
    1996-1999 / 1993 / 284 / 7.01
    (i ignored his rookie year, 53AB/3Hrs)

    So he doubles his production in the waning years of his career?
     
  6. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Wow, you actually think he only used HGH?
     
  7. bayareatiger

    bayareatiger If it's too loud YOU'RE TOO OLD

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    Snitches get stitches.
     
  8. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Is it really an unfair advantage when they're available to everyone? IIRC, at the time MLB had no rules that prohibited their use.

    I am assuming that he used the standard cycle for using them in the correct manner. I feel safe in making this assumption since he's suffered none of the effects that are symptomatic of someone who has abused them.

    So it's abuse if you use medication that you have not paid your board certified physician to legally prescribe to you? That argument is so full of bull**** I don't even know where to start. When I say abuse, I am talking about the literal sense of the word "abuse". You're taking an argumentative position that I have no interest in discussing.

    I didn't say that he didn't so anything wrong. I said that he didn't abuse them. To date he has not developed liver cancer, cardiovascular diseases, tendon ruptures, etc. or other symptoms that come with abusing the substance. There is a correct way to use them with minimal effects to ones health and it appears that he used them correctly. (ie. He did not abuse them.)

    I don't know everything that he used. I'm not sure how that even really matters in this argument because whatever he used he suffered no ill physical effects. Therefore, he didn't abuse them.
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    He did use alot more than HGH. I don't really have a problem with him using, or abusing all those substances, my beef with McGwire is that he is constantly playing the victim, like everyone should have pity on him. Poor poor Mark McGwire, who still really never told the truth.
     
  10. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    Legally in the United States, the only way to get HGH is by a prescription. Therefore the only legal way to get them is under the care of a doctor. If he does not have a script under the care a a legally recognized doctor, Prescription Drug Abuse. That is not my term, that is the term that medical clinics, The AMA and the Law has defined. So yes, to answer your question, It is abuse. It does not matter if you accept the definition or not, that is the Legal Definition.


    Mark McGwire comes clean, admits steroids use - ESPN
    Also he admitted to doing more than just HGH. He also admitted to steroids.

     

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