Isla Vista killing....the NRA's fault?

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  1. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I don't see how you can't?
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Don't toss the baby out with the bath water, its a saying from back in the day when everyone bathed in the same water and the dad usually went first. The youngest was last in line and by that time the water was pretty "cloudy" so the saying was make sure the baby wasn't in there when you tossed it.

    at least I think that is how it went
     
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    Apparently my point was poorly made. It was a cost discussion. If you were to compare the annual cost of birth control, considering a pregnancy would be nearly this long and much more expensive, then abortions are not "expensive". As well, HALF of women getting abortions said they didn't use birth control. If a 20-30 year old woman has sex and does not use birth control, and does not want a child, then clearly she is already considering abortion as an option and that is birth control.

    There are women who report more than 2 abortions. If a woman has 3,4, 5+ abortions, would you say that it is being used as a form of birth control or are they just really unlucky? And if a woman doesn't report it, does that mean it doesn't happen?

    Not when discussing "invasive procedures". In and of itself, an invasive procedure is not deadly. There are lots of non-invasive procedures that result in death. Having a nose job is invasive. Do we quote mortality rates for nose jobs as it relates to being an invasive procedure?

    Or I could be correct. Do you really believe that there are zero women who think this way?

    And? Do you support the idea of the private family matter of a minor getting an abortion without parental consent?

    No. I gave a statistic of abortions performed. That does not mean they all become back-alley procedures. And besides, like I have already said Row v Wade is not going to be overturned so why use the back alley discussion? It's a scare tactic.

    My thoughts about the government are personal and non-statistically related. I merely replied to your comment that I have thoughts somewhat aligned with wingnuts from the extreme right.
     
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    uscvball Founding Member

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    Irresponsible is what I call it. You have to accept special and do special.


    Dudes and chicks think differently. However, there are plenty of things a woman can do in advance to avoid those "uh oh" moments of passion. To have those options and not pursue them is a consideration of abortion, particularly if they are in no position or desire to have a child.
    You are funny. In a good way.
     
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    Not according to the law and not according to more than half of the population. The country is very evenly split on this and it is not cut and dried. An embryo can’t survive on its own, not even a fetus can. It is fully dependent on its mother. A single cell cannot be awarded the right of citizenship. Abortion is all about the undeniable rights of the mother versus the questionable rights of a portion of her own body.
     
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    Read it again amigo. I'm not arguing rights. I'm saying that science says "life" begins at conception. Things are forming, sex is determined all that happy jazz. You decide in your mind or soul or whatever it's worth but in the end it is alive and it is a person and if you kill it then....yeah that's called murder.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It's more than simply utilitarian. Ethically, the matter is very religious because it requires the belief that life is sacred. The confused but insightful martin always thought that abortion should be defined as murder but it was perfectly alright with him because without the notion that life is sacred, killing a potential human is no more ethically repugnant than killing a fish for dinner.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well I am talking about human rights. A freakin' carrot is alive. Did you commit murder in your garden recently? Life is not the relevant issue regarding abortion, it is the right to life. Roe says that a mothers has all of the rights to her body during the first trimester when there is no chance of human viability. Afterwards she must share these right and that is fine.
     
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    Any cawwot would tell you that Bugs Bunny was a sewial killer
     
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    You may make whatever contrivances you wish. It's pretty obvious that condoms are cheap and abortions are expensive.

    Indeed. That means that HALF of women DID use birth control. How does your supposition apply to them? It clearly can not.

    A classic logical fallacy. There is neither correlation nor causality between pregnancy of any kind and the consideration of abortion to be birth control. You are leaping to conclusions, my friend.

    For the sake of argument, let us say that some women actually believe and perform this amazingly illogical and unintuitive practice. I ask again, How many do this? Where do you get this information? Do you suggest that 2 or 3 % of women who abuse the system should define the rights of the rest of all women?

    Splitting hairs that you have already split. You are nothing if not tenacious. But you can't keep it up.

     
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