Isla Vista killing....the NRA's fault?

I suppose cost is potentially relative but for 1st trimester abortions, the range is $350-550 with the average in the US being $451. Compared to the cost of say, a year's supply of birth control, it's hardly out of whack.

A pelvic exam and pap smear are invasive. That excuse doesn't fly.

Stupid...well, let's talk about what is either stupidity or total irresponsibility. 57% of all abortions in the US come from the 20-30 year age bracket. The repeat rate is nearly 50%. 50% report using NO birth control. Really? At 20-30 years of age, you know what birth control is, you know what the consequences of unprotected sex can be, and if half are doing it more than once, then it is clearly more a case of abortion as birth control, than stupidity. It's like anything else after extensive exposure. People become immune to what it is. I could be wrong but I don't think girls today who are 20-30 really freaking care what they are doing or with whom or what could happen. In the back of their mind, why bother with birth control (that a guy may not want to use) when a potential pregnancy can just be aborted?

You are correct. Forcing someone to have a child they don't want is not good. Having to make the choice isn't much good either.

Please tell me where I have said that Roe v Wade should be overturned. I have not. I wouldn't waste my time because it never will be. Interesting that Norma McCovey has come to regret her part in the case.

Where did I say the government should force someone to carry a child? I never did. And yet the government, through public schools, is educating children on sex education and providing birth control (a private family matter). Here in CA, a minor can obtain an abortion without parental consent. They can't pick pick up a prescription for an antibiotic without a parent, but they can have what you deemed an expensive and "invasive" procedure?

Where is that statistic coming from? Surely with the improvements in procedures and instruments, even back-alley mortality rates would not be as high as decades ago. Studies now indicate that when comparing pregnancy/live birth, more women die as a percent than compared to the actual abortion procedure. And yet, when morbidity rates are compared among the same patient groups, 5 and 10 years down the line, abortion patients have a much higher mortality rate, including suicide.

I can only speak for myself. I get nothing and read nothing from the nutjobs who belong to groups like you mentioned. I won't discuss my reasons anymore than that.

 

I have no idea if he did or not but almost 70% of those seeking abortion are economically disadvantaged. Like I already said, more than half come from the 20-30 year age group. It's a very long stretch but I don't see these folks waving a Romney flag last election nor a Republican one next time.

 

Hell if that's true you should love abortions.

Question, isn't it a tad hypocritical for anti-abortion people to be pro-death penalty? The term should not be pro-life if only certain life matters. If an unborn human in the first trimester deserves to be protected from abortion then all life on this planet deserves to be protected from being killed. Insects, Ducks, dolphins, alligators, whales, dogs, cats, murderers, all life. Just because we are the most intelligent and creative beings on this planet doesn't make us special cosmically speaking. (By the way, I'm pro death penalty, pro abortion, and pro assisted suicide, that's consistency)

Maybe Christians are just pissed off these fetuses get a straight shot into heaven without having to do any work.

Humanity has to quit breeding so damn much anyway. Christians (at least most of them) are against contraceptives and against abortion. The argument is they are against premarital sex also, but we all know you ain't stopping that, against masturbation, that ain't going away either, so something has to give.
According to Catholicism a husband can't even bust one that isn't in his wife so the pull out method is off limits too according to the church. That's all nuts in today's world.

The point is no one goes out and says oh fuggit if I get pregnant I'll just abort the pregnancy. But things happen. So the right to privacy for a woman to choose what she does with her own body is protected by the 14th amendment and it should be because it's no one else's business but that woman's and maybe the sperm donor a little, but not enough to be able to prevent the woman's decision. It makes no sense to me that in this day and age this is still even being argued.

 

Semantics are not the issue. I tend to think you are probably pro choice as opposed to pro abortion. And yes we are special. I'm not a Bentham fan.

Baby....bathwater.

Nonsense. Catholic doctrine may say that but it is untrue that most Christians are against contraception. BTW, of those women seeking abortions, almost 70% report some religious affiliation. Situational is a bad way to make life altering decisions.

Of course they do. You mention women but minors and young teens who haven't developed the part of the brain that can predict consequences also get abortions. What about them?

 

Rights may be one thing but your beloved science tells us that life begins at conception amigo. You can argue the merits for and against all day long but at the end of that day it is still murder. Any way you slice it (pun not intended)

 

We are not special. We are a virus with shoes, a rung on the ladder of time. Also, if you think there are people out there who think to themselves hey I'll just have an abortion if I get pregnant, so screw it, that proves we aren't special. However I can guarantee you in the heat of the moment, you aren't thinking, oh screw it you don't need a condom I'll just go term the pregnancy if it happens. That's just ludicrous. As far as the religion part you may be right for the times because of those big Jesus Inc. nondenominational churches, but I grew up catholic and baptist. when I got married Father told me I couldn't bust anywhere but inside my wife.

I don't get the baby bath water quote I'm not Andrea Yates.

 

I don't see how you can believe it's murder.