Isla Vista killing....the NRA's fault?

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  1. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    Yes and the NFL.
     
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  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Irrelevant. Why do you oppose government interference in private lives, but support it in this most private family and medical matter?

    are you sure that you want to go there? One--the earth is ancient. But all that matters in assessing AGW is the period of time in which modern humans have been around to impact climate. Ice cores have revealed global temperatures for the last 50,000 years and the evidence is unequivocal . . . Humans have decidedly contributed to climate change.

    you seem to care only about ideas and solutions from the extreme right wing.
     
  4. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Betterment of society isn't irrelevant to me. Here's the thing red....at one time I was all about "choice". And then I had kids. I see people using abortion as birth control, having sex without protection, etc. To me it's irresponsible with some pretty bad consequences, some that can't be determined at the time. It's rarely a "private family or medical matter". It's more often, "I don't want it", "I can't afford it", "the dad isn't a factor".

    My focus, when it comes to this issue is really much further up the line of choices and behaviors. I would like to see the number of unwanted pregnancies be reduced, rather than focus on the argument that is abortion. Nothing gets solved at the raw level of determining when life begins. LaSalle says he should have a piece of ass if he wants it (yes, I know it was sorta hypothetical). Well, that's a choice that has consequences outside of just him, the same as it does for a woman to be pressured or willing to bypass birth control. I just think, as a society, we could do better. Abortions in the US are at the nearly half a million mark so far this year. Not exactly cause to be proud.

    So have lots of other things.


    What extreme right wing "idea" have I expressed an interest in? And in what solutions from the right wing have I espoused an interest? It's been pointed out that the right wing has no solutions so clearly, there's not much to be interested in.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Sex isn't a bad thing. I'm not one of those sex shamers. So if i want to get laid I should be able to get laid if the other party consents of course. Now I'm married so yeah that doesn't happen as much, but that is neither here nor there. The point is, shit happens, people make stupid decisions. They should be able to rectify them without having their entire lives ruined and potentially ruining the life of an unwanted child. There is an overpopulation problem also. Also repubs always want to cut benefits for the poor. The poor have kids, lots of em. Why not try to prevent the people who can't afford them from having them born into government assistance? GOP is so worried about fetuses but once they get yanked out the womb of the unknown soldier, fuck em they are on their own.

    I think we should be doing everything we can to prevent unwanted children that will be born into poverty from being born. Their chances of making it out are minuscule At best.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Here's the thing, and I can't stress this enough: It's none of your business.

    You don't want to have an abortion? Fine. Don't have one. You don't want someone else having an abortion? Who the fuck are you telling someone else what they can and can't do with their body? The 14th Amendment supports a woman decision to have an abortion. The only thing worse than abortion, IMO is not taking care of your child. It's just none of my business what people do with themselves or in their homes and it's none of yours, either. All choices that we make have consequences. People who choose to have an abortion have to live with the consequences of that choice.

    It doesn't get any simpler than that.
     
  8. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    so wait, you are against abortion but for forced sterilization?
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Not forced sterilization, I just think there should be something we should do to prevent children born into poverty and government assistance. I'm torn man, and I dont know the answer, what do you think?
     
  10. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    So what you're saying is that you support the murder of unborn human beings?
     

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