Is Russia really the bad guy here???

Thought I would share this answer with you guys to a question on a debate board regarding Trump, NATO, Putin, Ukraine and Russia.

What if Unicorns are real??

It remains questionable if Trump had the authority to withdraw the US from NATO, and as illustrated by the RJ 4 Senate Bill, and the House version, Congress could step in and prohibit such. We all know Trump was a sabre rattler, liked to talk big. But his intention appeared to be more about funding.

As for Putin, his concern is NATO breaking its alleged promise to not expand, while Ukraine had implemented a drive to join NATO following the ouster of the Pro-Russian President Yanukovych. NOW, our dishonest “Fact Checkers” split hairs to demonize Russia and make the Puppet in the Office today look better than he is, the article at the bottom of this post clearly shows the Democrat Owned Fact Checkers are just fostering propaganda.

While all you anti-Trumpers like to point to Trump, you’ll note in the picture below a familiar face in the beginnings of all this. Joe Biden!! As noted in a white paper by the CATO insititute, .. “The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking”.

America's Ukraine Hypocrisy
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

The goal was basically get rid of the Pro-Russian Yanukovych, and replace him with a US Stooge, Yatseniuk.

Come to think of it, ALL of this puts the whole “Russian meddled in our election” into context. Russia was not “pro-Trump”, but rather, anti-DEMOCRATS. Obama and Biden played a key roll in ousting a pro-Russian administration in Ukraine and within the Obama years, Ukraine began entertaining membership into NATO. This didn’t seem to be much of an issue during the Trump Administration, as Trump couldn’t care less about Ukraine and was more focused on the United States. But in 2020, one of the main players of the troubles, Joe Biden shows back up on the scene, and understandably, Russia gets nervous.

The back history here:

Yanukovych fled Ukraine amid the Euromaidan uprising in February 2014.[6] As a result of this revolution, the interim Yatseniuk Government came to power in Ukraine.[66][67] The Yatseniuk Government initially stated it did not have the intention of making Ukraine a member of NATO.[7]


Petro Poroshenko with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Vice President of the United States Joe Biden, February 2015

NATO officials vowed support for Ukraine and worked to downplay tensions between the bloc and Russia, which refused to recognize the impeachment of Yanukovych or the Yatseniuk Government.[68] In late February 2014, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Secretary General of NATO, reaffirmed that NATO membership is still an option for Ukraine.[69]

On 29 August 2014, following reports that the Russian military was operating within Ukraine, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arsenii Yatseniuk announced that he would ask the Ukrainian parliament to put Ukraine on a path towards NATO membership.[70]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrai...020, during,to Ukraine's security and defense.

Bolton on the other hand is just a typical career bureaucrat. His word is not worth squat. His main driver was selling his damn memoir.

So let me sum this up in a nut-shell. When the USSR was dissolved, there were insinuations, talk, conversations that NATO would not expand, and it was done in the spirit that NATO had an interest in a secure Russia. Along comes the bumbling idiots, Obama and Biden and their fixations on a New World Order run by European Leftists, who upset the apple cart in Ukraine and fostered the initiative of Ukraine to join NATO. Russia wasn’t happy about this! Russia’s first move was to ensure that the Democratic Party did not continue in authority to continue this activity. Our own DOJ has concluded that the Russian Meddling wasn’t intended to help Trump, but hurt Democrats, and now we know why!! Trump was elected, and the whole issue cooled off because Trump was not engaged with the Ukraine/NATO issue. Then 2020 happens, Biden, a major player in the Obama/Biden initiative on Ukraine ends up as President, and Russia rightfully becomes concerned. Had Trump won the election, Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine … yet … because Putin knew that Trump was not interested in expanding NATO to Ukraine.

 

Are you really serious??? Does any provocation justify what is happening in Ukraine???
For now I’m assuming you just are trying to get reaction and aren’t that ignorant and blind.
If you really want a serious discussion do some research into Ukrainian resistance to being a vassal state to Russia over the course of the 20th century through today.
Putin has stated time after time that he was ants to bring the states that left in 1991 back into Russia. His claims are straw men with no basis in fact.

 

I too believe this is his motivation….

 

Want to know how anybody with a brain can know that your article is full of shit? Because Ukrainians are fighting and dying for their country, and not welcoming the Russian military in as liberators.

Whether or not Ukraine will be a member of NATO is for Ukraine and NATO to decide, not some fascist dictator named Vladimir Putin. Which brings to question why Russia would be an enemy of NATO in the first place.... easy answer: because they're an enemy of democracies.

Stuff your Russian propaganda bullshit and your lame attempt to blame Democrats for Putin's invasion and war crimes, but also to justify the invasion in the same breath. It's all nonsense from fascists.

 

What did all those innocent kids have do to deserve being Atomic bombed in Japan?

Justification only means something in a closed society that was built on force. We, as Americans, justified to ourselves that path. Think we cared about what anyone else thought?

Your morals have no basis in fact either. They are only upheld by force. American force.

 

Fuck Putin

 

I'm not justifying Russia invading Ukraine, that was a complete failure of diplomacy. I'm giving you the backdrop that lead to it. Suffice it to say,, you can't dispute a single point made. Let me review them for you.

1) NATO promised in the 1990s there would be no expansion of NATO eastward.
2) Yanukavytch was ousted under the direction of Obama and Biden.
3) The US was instrumental in installing Yatseniuk as the new Prime Minister.
4) Yatseniuk petitioned the Ukraine Government to join NATO.
5) Russia meddled in the 2016 election but it was all directed against Hildabeast, and Trump had no involvement.
6) During the Trump years, there was no issue involving Russia and Ukraine.
7) Biden becomes President and the now the Russia and Ukraine issue is back.
8) (not mentioned in the original) Putin said in his speech that the issue is Ukraine joining NATO and the goal of the invasion is a regime change back to a Pro-Russian adminstration.

 

On a not so nice note ... you people are out and out idiots if you believe the narrative coming out of Washington D.C. Yes, it's terrible, yes women and children are being hurt, it's a shame and shouldn't have happened, .............

... But when a NAZI who has boasted they hate Jews is eyeing a house next to a Jewish Family, it's not unreasonable to believe the Jews might get a little nervous.

 

The truth hurts doesn't it REX!! Your boys Obama and Biden started this shit back in 2014! And now crybabies like you want to whine when their is a reaction.

All of the information is verifiable. You are just too stupid to put it all together.

 

So, according to your sociopathy it's justifiable that Putin is slaughtering freedom-loving Ukrainians because some Americans in the past preferred American friends over Russian puppets for the presidency of Ukraine.

Are you a Russian troll bot, or just all of a sudden in love with Putin because your cult leader constantly kisses his ass?