Is it the poor recruiting, poor coaching or both?

LOL they wont come back and give you green my friend. Either way you are doomed here.
1. if we win out You'll be the village idiot albeit a brave one.
2. if we loose a couple games, see number 1
3. if we loose 4-5 games they wont give you respect because people hate to eat crow.

so in the end, you are like john the baptist. although what you say MIGHT be true, you will wind up with your head cut off either way.

so there you go village idiot or be headed prophet?

sorry man not trying to insult you just preparing you for what is to come.

 

Not at all, it's in their hands not mine.

To me it's been a few individual plays that have made the difference, I don't mind the close games, matter of fact I think they are generally good. The problem is they look like crap, if they were winning by 30 I would say the same thing or if each game was 1 point difference.

I haven't seen any improvement at all, I respect your opinion on the matter, we will see where this goes this week. I have a feeling it's going to be rough, I hope I am wrong, nobody would be happier than me.

I wouldn't trade our players for any other team, seriously, now some of the coaching staff I couldn't say the same thing.

The year is not over and there is still time for them to put it together, honeymoon is over though... GA, FLA, ALA, MISS, etc. on deck.

 

The X man did this while Nick Saban was coach here if my memory serves me correctly, We've had poor coaching and poor recruiting before during and after the Nick Saban era.
This is LSU, We should fire them all and hire Obama!:insane:
That way the teams can roll over and play dead at his very appearance!opcorn:

 

Here's my take. We've recruited well, according to the "star" rating system, for the last 4 years at least, so we expect this team to perform better than it is performing. It's not the recruiting.

We all expected the offense to be good this season, with Scott returning after looking great as a Jr and backed by Williams. We had faith in LaFell, Toliver, Dickson, and Randall coming in, so receiver is ok. O-line had 3 starters back, figured to be ok. In my mind, the biggest question make was JJ, who is a true soph who had started 2 games last season, one where he played well enough to win (arky) and one where he looked very good (bowl game). I said he was the biggest question.

On D, we all expected improvement with the new coaches, and I think there is improvement, although we are certainly not a dominant unit yet. For the first time in years, we don't have an all american candidate on the front 4. We are not getting much pressure on the QB, and when they have time to throw, they do better.

It seems there is a coaching issue on the o-line. I thought we'd be better up front than we are by now. Miles played o-line, he should see it and be working with Stud to get it fixed. We seem out of sync as an offense, a great play here, offset by a lousy play there. JJ looked better this week, but the long passes he completed, I'm not sure we make those plays on a good secondary. MSU looked weak and out of position and JJ had wide open guys to throw to, and he made those completions. There was speculation after the Wash. game (CParso thread) that Crowton had not opened the playbook up yet, why show Ga, Fla., and Auburn what you're going to do. Well, we're there. If that's the issue, its time to open it up. I've been thinking lately, maybe the playbook is not open wide because the players are too sloppy to execute that much, instead of because we don't want to show it to the top flight competition. However closed the playbook may or may not be, we don't look sharp nor consistent. We look like we have big talented athletic players who are going out and playing with heart and making it happen sometimes.

The offense has been a disappointment to many fans including this fan (especially run production), and I think its coaching related. The defense is better than last season (damning with faint praise), and getting better as they get used to the scheme, but we don't have an all american d-lineman like we usually do, so it doesn't feel like a top flight unit we are used to. I don't see a coaching problem on the defensive side.

 

We have finished our preseason now. The next month will tell us what we have. Up to this point, we were, correctly, looking for good play. In other words, knowing the games were pretty much in the bag, we were looking for good execution and good coaching.

IMO, we have seen neither. Games in the SEC are won in the trenches and we have been bad on both lines. 4-0 is great, but last year we were 3-0 and when we got to a real team, it was obvious that we were overrated.

I will say this, winning ugly is fine. If they somehow get out of this next month and a half 3 or 4 ugly wins, that'll be fine because of the level of competition. The only thing that makes me nervous, is we're winning ugly against teams that really don't have the athletes to stay within 35 points of us. This is not the NFL where cupcakes don't really exist.

If you are a great team, you need to beat up on the cupcakes. We haven't. Looks a little too much like last year, IMO.

 

Coaching, specifically on the offensive side. It's time to get off our offensive line. It's not their fault. At the snap MS had their linebackers right up on the line of scrimmage. If the handoff is to the RB it's our 5 OL blocking their 7 DL. They can push all they want to, 5 against 7 is going to lose every time. If our OC can't figure out how to exploit that then he...

We did only one play action and that was toward the end of the game.

They were also packing their defense very tight. We needed to spread them out laterally. A good offensive coordinator should be able to do that.

JJ should be given more freedom to adjust, check off at the snap. Somebody in the sky box decides 15 seconds before the snap what the defense is, then calls to the coach on the sideline, who then signals to JJ, who then has to signal to everybody else, then with 2 seconds left he hands off to Scott who runs into a stacked line. In the 10 seconds it took to do all the communicating the defense has shifted.

Their DC is outcoaching our OC. It's as simple as that.

 

I'm back on the forum again. I had a lot of work to do this weekend and other than listen on the radio and see some highlights, I was out of the loop for a while. I haven't even read the posts on this thread (so I may be redundant here).

Wild Tiger, I wish I could give you some rep points for the good original post, but I see you're unregistered for some reason. You are raising the same points that people like Pete Finney,Dandy Don and some others who definitely are more aware of the game than I am.

It does seem that LSU is under performing this year, in spite of the wins and the rankings, there is a bit to worry about.

I don't think we have the same problems we had last year. Our QB situation seems better and the intangible, poisonous locker room attitude last year is history.

We have very good players with a winning attitude. So the coaching staff has to bear the responsibility...especially Miles and Crowton. It seems that the way to beat LSU is to stack the line, stop the run and force Jefferson to pass the ball. That should be easy to overcome with appropriate offensive game planning once it is recognized.

I do think we'll adapt eventually but right now, I see a lot of similarities with the McClendon coaching staff in regards to pushing the run at all costs. I really am hoping that the offensive game plan is vanilla on purpose and Play calling and personnel selection is a result of that, but I have a feeling it's not. Wish I could pump some sunshine here .

I think that Miles is letting Crowton call the plays during the game, but the actual game plan that's prepared early on in the week is tailored to Miles dictates. It doesn't seem that they can deviate from the overall game plan during the game...They stick to it and that's it. I don't see any in game adjustments at all.

It's coaching...and in particular, hamstringing the play calling by conservative game planning and sticking to it at all costs.

Not bashing Miles or Crowton at all...it's worked as far as winning so far...but just wait till Saban prepares a game plan against us. He has to be licking his chops.

Coach Miles, please unleash Crowton and let's develop a dynamic offensive game plan that can be tweaked by in game adjustments...we're playing Georgia this week and other teams seem to have lots of sustained drives against them. We need more than the big play from here on out.

 

okay, okay. WHO is responsible for making wildtiger unregister.

don't you understand? He'll be back under a new name and we won't pin-point him until it's too late.

I blame the O-line for our woes this year. I wish they'd hurry up and sync so we can see some excitement from CS

 

Dude, looks like you forgot to log out of your 'WildTiger' account and log in to your other account before trying to defend yourself posing as a 3rd (faux objective) person.

 

I hate to keep comparing LSU to someone else but it is almost
unavoidable. My family including my son who played 5 years for
TCU went to the "other" Death Valley this past weekend for the
game against Clemson. I had always wanted to see the place,
I will say their fans were some of the nicest fans I have ever seen,
perhaps a topic for another thread. Suffice to say that even though
it is "Death Valley", we all agreed it WAS NOT THE DEATH VALLEY!!!

As to coaching intensity and defensive intensity. After watching
Gary Patterson coach and specifically defense for 8 years now,
when comparing him to Les Miles you might as well give Les some purple
pom poms. If Patterson had Miles talent, you would see 5 or 6 shutouts
per year. He is a coach that will tell you he will take a 3-0 win all day but
you can lose 45-42. Almost every year he will take a larger RB and make
him a super fast DE, Jerry Hughes this year and last and Tommy Blake before him. It is becoming very hard watching Les Miles accept what appear to me at times as mediocre coaching from his assistants (play calling) and far less than 100% from players in certain instances.
Patterson will not put up with either, he will and does make immediate
changes but it all comes back to square one, DEFENSE.

Not sure where LSU is headed but in looking at the recent power rankings
they have LSU all the way down at 15 and mention the fact that this team is about to get tagged, though I don't want it to happen, I think they are right. At the end of the day, win or lose I will be what I have been for the last 40 years, and LSU fan.:geaux: