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Is 25 the SEC Limit?

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TUSKtimes said: ↑

What in the world is a "one year non-competition clause?"
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I think that means he had to go play at Notre Dame for a year.

stevescookin, Feb 3, 2012

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here's some interesting comments from Nick Saban from his 2010 NSD presser:

Keep in mind, the 4 kids saban "cut" to make way for better recruits were not shopping other offers. Taylor was committed to bama since March 2011 and Philon committed in September. The other two kids weren't as high profile, but were left in the same lurch.

worse behavior was exhibited by Philon's HS coach, who attempted to deflect the blame from alabama and saban by pointing the finger at the SEC for implementing the 25 soft limit. Of course, this coach was a former alabama player and is driving a fancy new crimson colored pickup truck, so what does he care, right?

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also the douche that said "if you cant win your conference you shouldnt play for a national championship".....

acemic, Feb 4, 2012

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My understanding was that Miller was on campus and ready to enroll when he and his parents were told he would have to wait until the fall semester for his scholly to kick in?

If I am mistaken then I apologize
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Elliot Porter. He was enrolled before it was decided he would be offered a grey.

Porter had been committed to LSU since last July, meaning he went an entire year – through his senior season, signing day, his high school graduation, an entire summer and move-in day on campus – assuming he had a secure position on Miles' team. He reportedly turned down other offers from Florida State, Nebraska, Stanford, Texas Tech and a dozen other I-A/FBS schools based on that assumption, only to have the rug pulled out from under him at the last possible second. Again, as far as the NCAA is concerned, this is perfectly on the up-and-up.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/LSU-s-ship-has-two-men-too-many-so-Elliott-Port?urn=ncaaf,260264

b_leblanc said: ↑

Les and the staff will do and did what was needed, including a little damage control during recruiting. When you have 18 year old guys who constantly have all kinds of thoughts and people in their ears telling them what to do, I know the toll that takes. Some of these kids, however, are just straight up dishonest flakes. Zero substance. That's part of the nature of the beast though, having to deal with all the different personalities and all of their families meanwhile showing that your program is maintaining its competitive edge. Damage control.

Little Nicky on the other hand is known for sparing no expense and pulling no punches, referring to any and all tactics possible to achieve the desired result. History repeats itself. When something "better" comes along, he'll leave, meanwhile the entire time denying it with every bone in his body. He's brought your program back from two decades of mediocrity, but don't put all your trust in him. Friendly advice.
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That may be OUR perception but to others looking in, LSU/Miles and Bama/Saban are OFTEN mentioned in the same breath when it comes to recruiting practices.

You guys be careful when you go pointing fingers. Hit a search on "oversigning" and see.

Ten@10 : Oversigning still an issue at LSU, Alabama
9:59 am August 26, 2010, by Chip Towers
THE TEN AT 10
1. Oversigning to continues to be an issue in the SEC despite rules being instituted in the last year to curtail the practice. LSU is the latest culprit. After all 27 of the school’s 2010 signees qualified for admission this fall, the Tigers were left with two more than NCAA rules allow them to admit. So coach Les Miles asked two of the incoming freshmen to “grayshirt,” meaning they would delay enrollment until January, when they would count toward the next season’s scholarship total. Elliott Porter, a 6-foot-4, 290-pound defensive tackle from Waggaman, La., declined. Porter, an honors student, has since enrolled at Kentucky. Cameron Fordham, a tight end signee from Duluth whose father played for the Tigers, also declined the request but opted instead to pay his own way as a walkon this fall. He’ll be placed on scholarship in January.

Alabama, which has engaged in the practice of oversigning under coach Nick Saban, was bailed out recently when Alfy Hill, a defensive end/outside linebacker from Shallotte, N.C., was denied admission after the NCAA Clearinghouse rejected two online courses he had taken to meet entrance requirements. Hill has since transferred to East Carolina, where he was accepted as a partial qualifier and will have to sit out this season. Meanwhile, Hill’s departure opens the door for 2010 Bama signee Harrison Jones, a tight end who had agreed to grayshirt because the Tide was overbooked. Alabama has found all kinds of creative ways to get down to the NCAA’s maximum number of 85 scholarships, as detailed on the website Oversigning.com.

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Ten@10: Oversigning still an issue at LSU, Alabama | AJC College Sports Recruiting

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ROY_LA_CA said: ↑

I thought that 25 was the max number that any SEC team could sign per year, but looking at the Scout team rankings, Alabama is showing at 26 commits. Here's the link...

Scout.com: Football Recruiting

Clicking on Alabama, and all of their commits have a check for LOI ---

Did Alabama really sign 26 this year and if so, how do they get by the "25 SEC Rule" or am I missing something?
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The most you can sign in Feb. is 28. The most that can enroll in the fall: is 25. They can have back-counters.

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LSU normally has a high rate of attrition and oversigns every year. They then cull the players they feel they have "missed" on in order to make room for the over-signings. Randle is one of those "misses."
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>UH adds another 4 star, LSU transfer<

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lsutiga said: ↑

The most you can sign in Feb. is 28. The most that can enroll in the fall: is 25. They can have back-counters.
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That is pretty much the simply logic of it all. But oh the consternation by our SEC brethren of all colors. Coach Saban and Miles are the poster child, but most of the indignation is really much more about the success that has followed.

Recent stats on oversigning are about what it has been.

Ole Miss - 30.0
the barners - 28.3
Arkansas - 27.8
Bama - 26.8
South Carolina - 26.5

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That is pretty much the simply logic of it all. But oh the consternation by our SEC brethren of all colors. Coach Saban and Miles are the poster child, but most of the indignation is really much more about the success that has followed.

Recent stats on oversigning are about what it has been.

Ole Miss - 30.0
the barners - 28.3
Arkansas - 27.8
Bama - 26.8
South Carolina - 26.5
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Very true. Let us not forget the "rule" is aka "The Houston Nutt rule." :lol:

LSUTiga, Feb 4, 2012

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TUSKtimes said: ↑

That is pretty much the simply logic of it all. But oh the consternation by our SEC brethren of all colors. Coach Saban and Miles are the poster child, but most of the indignation is really much more about the success that has followed.

Recent stats on oversigning are about what it has been.

Ole Miss - 30.0
the barners - 28.3
Arkansas - 27.8
Bama - 26.8
South Carolina - 26.5
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I'd like to know the time interval the above averages are generated from, and the source. If the averages incorporate recruiting classes prior to 2010, those classes would pollute the averages due to when the current cap was initially implemented.

The Houston Nutt rule was adopted after Nutt oversigned to the tune of 37 signees for the 2009 class. The following year, the current cap was implemented. What are the averages by program for the 2010, 2011, and 2012 seasons?

On February 1, 2011, Sports Illustrated published a letter from the president of the University of Florida, Bernie Machen, in which Machen condemned oversigning-related practices - including grayshirting and the excessive use of medical disqualifications - as "morally reprehensible" and "repugnant."
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I'd like to know the time interval the above averages are generated from, and the source. If the averages incorporate recruiting classes prior to 2010, those classes would pollute the averages due to when the current cap was initially implemented.

The Houston Nutt rule was adopted after Nutt oversigned to the tune of 37 signees for the 2009 class. The following year, the current cap was implemented. What are the averages by program for the 2010, 2011, and 2012 seasons?
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It would definitely pollute a singular, repetitive, bias, thought. More importantly, it would also say that for the last ten years the barn is number one in the SEC at over signing. And attrition, man, are you kidding me? Enjoy the SEC process.

The barn at 27.5
S. Carolina at 27.4
Miss St at 26.9
Arky at 26.7
Ole Miss at 26.3
League Ave. at 25.03
Bama at 24.9
Kentucky at 24.7
LSU at 24.5
Tenn at 24.4
Georgia at 23.2
Florida at 22.7
Vandy at 21.1

Here's a list of SEC players retained by %, from 2008-2011

Vandy 92.9
Georgia 82.0
Kentuck 81.6
LSU 81.0
Florida 81.0
Tenn 80.6
Bama 77.6
League average in % = 77.0
Arky 76.9
S Carolina 75.7
Miss St. 73.5
the barn 65.5 (only 74 of 113 signees survived)
Ole Miss 63.9

TUSKtimes, Feb 4, 2012

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What in the world is a "one year non-competition clause?"
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"Dear high school player, please sit around for a year and don't play college football anywhere else and if I feel like fitting you in the 2013 class, I'll let you know."

Basically the agreement Saban got this kid to sign before he wised up.

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