IRS targeting of Conservative groups

careful now....someone on this board could work for the IRS or Justice Dept.

 

Obviously you didn't understand my answer. I said I was outraged by the targeting of liberal groups under W. I included one other issue among others as well. I see from your post below you find faults with some of President Obama's actions and I was as well by W's in fact I did NOT vote for him on 2004 because I didn't like his ability to manage the rogues in his administration. I am holding Pres Obama to the same standards I held W to. You only see the comments I make currently, but if you read through out my posts in this forum I have also had problems with things W and other Rs did and stands they take. I try to call it as I see it and it isn't personal. Get it now?

I agree the specific people who took these actions should be disciplined as found proper. However in addition to the specific discipline of the people invovled, the president holds responsibility to the people to do a better job of management than he has shown. It depends on what the facts turn out to be to see if he or others in the higher level of his administration deserve more than censure in popular forums such as this.

I think the whole of his term in office has shown him to be a poor leader and to have allowed at least the odor of corruption (not money by moral) to pervade his whole term. I stand by that opinion.

 

From George Will's latest column:
"Leaving aside the seriousness of lawlessness, and the corruption of our civic culture by the professionally pious, this past week has been amusing. There was the spectacle of advocates of an ever-larger regulatory government expressing shock about such government’s large capacity for misbehavior."
Forget the source but ponder the words...How can we trust government to manage our health care and so many other critical facets of our lives when the stench of a overbearing bureaucracy is invading our nostrils? Even if the president had nothing to do with the IRS or AP scandals can we trust the faceless powerful bureaucrats in the federal government to look out for our interests?

 

This. My concern with government have always had more to do with the unelected, faceless ones who operate behind the scenes and often with impunity. This is not a democrat or republican issue. As you say, the same stuff was going on during W's administration and it was wrong then and it's wrong now. In order for there to be trust restored there has to be some accountability. And if we need to go back and prosecute those who committed similar crimes during the Bush admin, then so be it.

At some point we have to stop making every issue about Republicans or Democrats and start judging issues by Right or Wrong. In every facet, this is Wrong. I do not believe that Obama had any knowledge of this, just like I do not believe that W had any knowledge when it went on during his administration. With a country as large as ours it is virtually impossible for any President to have complete personal oversight. That said, for the integrity of our entire system of government, this has to be cleaned up.....once and for all.

 

After reading about what is currently known about the IRS " scandal" still nothing to see here. They were screened because they are political groups. Most of the applicants were conservative, so most but certainly not all targeted were conservative. Seems like searching for political groups by using "tea party" is a good way to do it at that time if you have to find 200 among 70000. I think the worker bees should have been fired if they hadn't done such searches.

 

Some see only what they want gumborue and methinks this is what you are doing. To have two standards for screening as happened here is WRONG! To pass liberal groups while holding up conservative as happened here is WRONG! To ask personal questions of individuals or threaten conservative groups with personal audit as happened here is WRONG. These actions have already been admitted to and apologized for G by the IRS. The agency applied a DOUBLE STANDARD to their search criteria and likely suppressed the voter turnout on the conservative side by so doing. Whether or not it had any effect on the election is IMMATERIAL.
Certainly the worker bees should have been better managed, but had liberal groups been subjected to the same scrutinity it would have been EQUALLY WRONG. This is profiling at its worst. Every application should receive the SAME SCRUTINITY sport. Don't you recognize the term "equal protection under the law"? That is what it means.

 

While the IRS spent time illegally investigating Tea Party groups they ignored and passed without question the big money groups of BOTH parties. This is corruption most foul not for money but for lack of a moral code. This is why I worry about the effects of big government and Obamacare. Why the same woman who oversaw the IRS tax exempt reveiw section that is the font of the is now heading up the IRS Obamacare section. Are you afraid yet? You should be. See the AP article below I read in the Morning Advocate
http://theadvocate.com/home/6013275-125/irs-probe-ignored-influential-groups

 

this is of greater concern to me: that the IRS passed on the big money groups from both parties in order to essentially pick on the smaller ones. Once again big money is skirting the laws.

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011...in-1995-before-the-oklahoma-city-bombing.html

Ol Bumbling Biden was thinking ahead.

 

So NC do you see that overbearing government bureaucrats are a very real threat? What do you think the potential is for similar heavy handed action in the Obamacare system?