I never said anything about the government shutting down an industry? Ok, I am getting confused here? ugh? I do think the government, politicians have politicized everything. I do think that has also led to a down turn in the economy. It isn't the only factor but like I have said before, a lot of jobs could have been created if there wasn't so much opposition to various businesses including the oil, coal industries, etc. Yes, oil is a commodity but the prices fluctuate on supply and demand. I vaguely recall Bush releasing the oil reserves OR opened up some drilling a few years back and prices fell. We will have to just disagree but I could be right or wrong here, I admit it. Yes but we have an anti business climate for some all based on scientific data that isn't proven. It is no myth, I read an article where Walmart was going to put up a store somewhere but they didn't because people were opposed for various reasons. I know this kind of thing happens, people oppose many businesses because of politics. This is your problem right here, those could be jobs for many people. It is in the national interest of the country to have more businesses and jobs to get the economy working. Its all about corporations and profits for people like you. IF that is true it wasn't the only thing that led to it, AGAIN Frank and Dodd, government in bed where they shouldn't have been. This isn't capitalism. Balance yes, everything is out of whack, politicians and government with Lobbyists are controlling things, crony Capitalism. I don't believe regulations where completely removed, banks where threatened by government officials if they didn't give the loans. Sure but there is a line in the sand, you can go too far. Like you said there is a balance. It all depends on politics and balance! I have watched fox maybe twice this year, I don't listen to Rush either. I come up with my own thoughts, I stay away from Liberal sources all together. As far as I'm concerned they get most things wrong. I don't think they are fro freedom and liberty and I'll point to the Nanny State as proof. I don't think though, anyone can deny that various political views, politics have cost us business which hurts the economy, it is that simple. Oh, I totally agree with this BUT we just have different viewpoints. Merry Christmas to you, I won't be back for a debate for a few days, need time off!
One final thought came to mind, If the green industry is so good I'll never understand why China has to build so many coal plants in their country. I mean if Green Industry is the way to go, is the future and is superior to what we all have now. It makes no sense.
So what? It is free speech. Wal-Mart is one of the biggest corporations on the planet. They are not hurting. Do you have any idea how many small businesses they have put out of business. When Wal-Mart comes into a small town, the mom and pop pharmacies, grocery stores, hardware stores, five and dimes, and other small businesses crash and burn. Some small towns have decided to exercise their rights and zone businesses like Wal-Mart out of their counties. It is the American way. The best national interest is about all of those things Passing the blame. It was a Republican President, Senate, House, and Supreme court in charge of the mortgage collapse and wall steet bailouts. This explains why you understand half of any issue. What are you afraid of hearing? I watch FOX and listen to Limbaugh from time to time. If you aren't aware of the other side of any story, you can be a victim of your own propaganda.
Again, I don't look at corporations or whether they are hurting or not. I look at the American people and the jobs that could be created. Government puts people out of business some of the time because of their policies. I listed Walmart as an example because some hate them because they are a corporations. Your example is no different than what government and technology do to business for various reasons including Illegal Aliens. I already said that above but it didn't mean Dodd or Frank didn't have a role. I disagree, if you listen to way liberal stuff you become a victim of their propaganda. I won't support or listen to those against liberty and freedom. I am aware of plenty, corporations are no more evil then my own government.I know Tyranny when I see it and that is what we have now in this country. Both sides are complete garbage. I am done here, I am just about to blow a gasket.
I came back to apologize to Rex for screwing up this thread, I didn't mean for it to happen but it is my fault. I won't be back here to this thread for this reason. I didn't want to get into a long debate here and I knew better but I did it as a courtesy.
They do make a lot of sense sometimes, don't they? :grin: Here you offer a prime example of what I'm talking about. You imagine that only you and those who think like you advocate liberty and freedom. It's a ridiculous idea, liberals are not against liberty and freedom. I suggest your interpretation of why those terms mean is too narrowly defined. There are two sides to every issue, sometimes more. If all one does is listen to the propaganda of single side, he renders himself ignorant of the issue as a whole. Why do you fear contrary opinions?
I wouldn't know because I don't listen to it but my guess is no. From their policy standpoints Liberals are wrong on many issues including a living, breathing Constitution, Gun Bans, telling people they can't smoke in their own homes. Liberty and freedom is the opposite of their policies, the Nanny State, treating Americans and their children like criminals at airports. There are two issues to every side yes, everything isn't cut and dry on either side, Um Yes but we differ greatly, I never said I didn't listen to contrary opinions, there is more to any issue than Liberal or Conservative. Just because I won't watch or listen to liberal propaganda doesn't mean I don't get other viewpoints. I talk to you quite often. I stand for what the founding fathers stood for, I believe in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and saying the pledge in class and prayer as it was many years ago. Liberty and freedom is the opposite of their policies, the Nanny State, Big Government controlling your life and giving you less freedom and Liberty. I know some Republicans have joined their crusade and that is one reason I am an Independent, pretty damn near a Libertarian. What is your interpretation of Liberty and freedom, to me it isn't the Democrat party of today, they are becoming more socialist everyday. This federal government is becoming more controlling everyday. We use to have a separation of Fed and State but now the Fed bribes the states to get them to fall in line. It is too powerful. WE are way beyond the way things were suppose to be in this country. The more we get away from the founding documents and the country the founders left in place the less liberty and freedom we have, it is obvious to me. I would also say that unfortunately some Republicans have moved along the same lines but Liberals are far worse in my view. Your view may be different but we aren't going to change each others minds so we will probably just disagree.
You are caught up in stereotypes, amigo. If you really believed in the Bill of rights, you would understand that state-sponsored religion is unconstitutional. No, this is just an effort to demonize those you disagree with. How much time do you have? Give me an example. I don't think you know what socialism is. There is no collective ownership in this country. Not to me. Give us an example of what you are talking about. I agree that the political extremes are bad. That is why I'm an independent and a moderate. But you criticize right and left but stand firmly on the right. It's hard to figure.
of course there is. we have all sorts of socialist things, like old people insurance, for trillions, caled "social" security. not private. collectively owned. we are aware that socialism is a matter of degree. we are slightly socialist. too much for my taste, but you have always said you think it is good to take from one man to give to another.
