Saw this article today, thought it was interesting.... should make for some interesting discussion.. Seven Things Republicans Were For Before They Were Against Them I'll just post a few points of the article and let people read the rest. now the spin!
I am not a republican but why should I give a damn if they wanted this 20-30 yrs ago? It doesn't make it more palatable today. I would point out that the world economy has changed significantly and you are unlikely to get China, Africa, or South America to follow along with the environmental caps we propose for ourselves. Obama admitted it would skyrocket our energy costs, "as a matter of course". Why would anyone want this? What difference does it make if the republicans were stupid 30 yrs ago or not? Do the American people get a chance to be right? McCain is a joke on immigration. Kennedy is Kennedy and Bush pandered for votes. Like most presidents in office. Besides it being shown repeatedly that he did plenty that was not good for the country. Since so many liberals consider Bush an idiot and one of the worst presidents ever, this issue stance is supposed to be the correct one? Why? Is the argument that deficit spending is good, and that out of control deficit spending is better? Bush did plenty and it helped get us in a hole. Obama is doing plenty and it is making the whole deeper. Republicans are making political hay out of it because they can. From what I have seen, both sides like spending $ they don't have. The issue you cited is a spit in the bucket and is mostly political, but it does not detract from the overall issue - out of control spending. Do Americans get to be right on this one? Who gives a **** if the leopards in DC are trying to change their spots to get elected? I only care that they follow through on changing. Obama has made it clear that he won't. I disagree with govt mandates by their very nature. And requiring me to purchase a private good or be fined is ludicrous. Their is no "greater good" that can override my freedom in that capacity. I am sure that during WWII, it was in the country's best interest that we buy bonds. Why didn't they just pass a law and make us do it? And I see "conservatives" listed but no names from '93. Romney is responsible for the Mass failure (and it is a complete failure), and I hate hearing him try to justify it. It's pandering. But that doesn't change the reality of what will happen to America if Obamacare goes into effect. Mass is a microcosm of what is coming. The numbers are not deniable. Why would anyone want this for the country? Is this about what works, or about "gotcha"? I fail to see any credible evidence that any of these policies are good, regardless of who wants them, or when they wanted them. Because I don't think Americans have too much sympathy for anyone that is choosing to be on the wrong side today, regardless of what letter is after your name. If this were just about republicans hating on the president, why are independents bailing on Obama? They are the ones who put him in office. They are supposedly able to see an issue in a non-partisan fashion. Why is his approval rating among independents in the 30's? Are you telling me that the republican message is so well organized? The republicans look like a monkey phucking a football! Fact is that Obama's message is that off the mark. People are making their minds up for themselves.
And how do you feel about #5? And if you click on the link you will see the citations of where they get the information from.
You seem to be missing my point. I have not defended any republicans for their positions or their votes, in the past or today. I pointed out how I stood on the issues, and apparently a majority of Americans agree with me. Most convincingly, the independents agree with me. Are Americans so ignorant that they can be easily swayed by a republican party that is in such disarray? Most liberals laugh at them, and they should. Palin is the lead voice? That is what has people convinced? Really? It's been well established that there is no nobility in DC on either side. Stop playing gotcha and explain how these policies are good for the country.
No I didnt miss your point, I didnt even respond to your points. I just asked how you felt about #5 because you didnt comment on that one. And in your response, you asked which republicans on the healthcare mandate, so I was telling you that the link provides the answer to which conservatives... Thats all I was asking and explaining. Seems like you might be trying to argue, but there is none at all.
Okay so is the point of this "interesting discussion" to show that republicans can be idiots, spend money they don't have, and change their votes as the wind changes? Then well done. You are correct. How does that justify the Obama administration? I would find that discussion to be very interesting indeed. Otherwise this thread is going nowhere fast. It's like declaring water to be wet.
I dont have to explain anything I thought it was an interesting article so I posted it. Alot of people on this site play gotcha, its funny I dont see you demanding them explain their position. One poster in particular plays gotcha all day long with a plethora of threads. So you must agree with him.
