I'll come out and say it: Jimbo Fisher needs to go. (Ancient Thread)

I'm not sure whether it's just a very conservative offensive philosophy or that they just don't feel they have enough confidence in the QB's to air the ball out. Obviously with Randell your going to have to run a conservative offense. Both Russell and Randell have been very erradict throwing the ball. Untill we get a QB that is capable of running a wide open offense we won't see one. Hopefully, either Russell (or maybe Flynn) will develop into the type of QB's that you can feel confident in opening things up with.
I don't see how we have much of a chance of beating Alabama, Ole Miss, or Arkansas running this offense. Like someone said earlier, we just don't have the dominating defense that we had last year to make up for it. Of course last night against Vanderbilt it didn't make a difference either way. (to me it's shocking that we were in a struggle with them for the whole first half of the game). But what are you going to do? Just had over the offense to Russell? He tried that already and it didn't work and with Randell he's running about the only kind of offense that he can run. Which is a lot of running plays, short passes, dump offs, and quarterback draws (then to change things up I guess you throw in a double reverse).

 

We set all kinds of offensive records in 2001 and 2003, especially passing records, so we know Fisher is capable of opening up the offense. It's obvious the coaches don't have confidence in our passing offense this year.

Ole Miss and Alabama have awful offenses, so I don't see them scoring much against us. It'll be low scoring games, and hopefully our offense can score one point more than them! The Arkansas game will be much more difficult.

 

I think its a little early to be calling for Jimbo's head although some good points are raised by TE. I just dont agree that this is Jimbo's fault, the play calling is approved by Saban and he is looking to win games by whatever means is possible. It may be ugly, it may be unimaginative, it may be boring but a win is a win is a win.

This just reminds me of the Stallings era at Bama. Here is a guy who would throw only 10-15 times a game, pile up enormous rushing stats week in and week out and win games ugly with good defense. However, here is a guy who averaged 10 wins a season at bama and was in every SEC Championship game during his tenure and won a NC outright. I would take take that any day over trying to produce an exciting offense but losing because of the mistakes that can happen when you cant throw well.

This may not be a fun offense to watch but we can only do what we're capable of. Right now we are not capable of throwing the ball 20-30 times a game and winning consitently with this team. I'll take pounding the ball in ugly wins all day long over losing while trying to please the fans by throwing more or appearing more creative.

JUST WIN BABAY!!! :thumb:

 

As I said to open my initial post, I didn't expect everyone to agree with this statement. I am fully aware that Jimbo Fisher is a good offensive coordinator. I am fully aware that Nick Saban has a say-so in our offensive gameplan.

I also-last week-told you all I watch the sidelines after almost every play. I usually miss most after the play personal fouls or late hits and whatnot, because I like seeing Saban's reaction or Muschamp's histrionics.

What I saw during the Troy game was Saban looking towards the West Upper and throwing his hands up while yacking into his headset. I doubt they were talking about how successful the gameplan was on offense.

The bottom line is that last week we attempted 37 passes. This week we attempted 11. If this coaching staff preaches consistency, fellas, this ain't it.

Last week, we went deep ZERO times. This week, we went deep twice. A touchdown - on a bad throw by Randall - and an interception that could have but wasn't was the result. This isn't "opening up the offense" as Saban said in the locker room at the half.

You all want to talk about us "not having to" open up the offense, yet we all agree that LSU has the horses at running back already. We don't need to find out if they can run. We know we've got three or four who can run with anyone.

What we need to perfect is the consistency in the passing game. Still off target on bubble screens, the most simple pass in the playbook. Grounding balls into the dirt and hitting the receiver on one hop. These are things that need to be worked out, and when the bullet hits the bone, this was the 8th game of the season, and the 5th conference game of the season.

We can all agree that the problem with our offense is execution on the line, playcalling, and PASSING. It ain't the running backs and getting them work.

Whether you call them end arounds or reverses or whatnot, they are all similar in style and function in its attempt to punish the defense for overpursuit and create breathing room where superior players can utilize speed and open space to realize positive yardage on offense.

This works perhaps twice a game. Thrice in a drive is ridiculous. Twice in one series is absolute buffonery.

Again, we won the game. But, don't let a special teams touchdown and a gift wrapped touchdown on offense mask what really happened. We scored 10 points outside of those two scores. 10 points.

Hell, on the turnover drive and score, we ran 7 offensive plays, from what I recall, and fully THREE of them were draws...

This deciding to "work on the ground game" worked to the tune of 10 points total by the offense on decent drives. The fumble in the red zone is a wash. I don't really read too much into the defense's points off turnovers last week since they were all on a short field.

In the same sense, I don't put too much stock into the score inside the 20 for LSU last night. We're a good football team. We should be able to score on any team inside the 20.

I will say again that we ran the same play half the time on that drive. That's a microcosm of our philosophy lately. Run the same play. Over and over and over. That's not multiplicity, and that's not Nick Saban & Jimbo Fisher.

It's bad playcalling.

SabanFan, I love Nick Saban. I appreciate what Jimbo's done for us during his time in Tiger Town. But, I don't care what Texas A&M did, or what Miami did. You can't tell me that you thought Saturday morning that EITHER of those two football teams were not posers in their respective positions on the college football landscape.

No one thinks Utah is as good as a BCS Bowl (I think they'd get annihalated by a moribund type Top 25 perennial, like a Purdue or Ohio State-during the bad years like they're having now) team, and their victory over A&M and A&M's subsequent roll afterwards had people respecting both of them. Now A&M's exposed for the average team they are. They haven't played Texas nor Oklahoma yet, so you can't tell me that a win over an average run of the mill Big XII team proves anything for Urban Meyer's Utes.

On to Miami...Does ANYONE think Miami was legitimate? Who have they played? Florida State? Hell, Florida State lost last night, so Miami was brought back down to earth on multiple levels. Miami was lucky to have won against a decent Top 25 program like Louisville. The #2 team in the BCS & in the polls shouldn't be giving up 38 points like they did on a Thursday night. They shouldn't have taken overtime to beat a 2 loss average team like FSU.

Maryland had the first 3 game losing streak in Friedgen's tenure earlier this year. The 'Canes lost. How can you hold them up to the light when in reality, both they & the Aggies are pretenders to the throne of their respective echelons of college football?

The bottom line is that comparing what LSU did to anyone else ain't all that grand.

We played VANDERBILT, and our OFFENSE scored 10 points outside of a gift wrapped turnover inside the red zone and a special teams "get over the hump" score.

We called three reverses in one drive. Two in one series. We called three draws out of 7 plays inside the red zone. We threw the ball three straight times as soon as our "running quarterback" as some call him came into the game.

With our talented strong armed quarterback, we sat on it and once again didn't even THREATEN a vertical attack.

You have to work on ALL facets of your game. You can't just rest on your laurels because you can against a team like Vanderbilt. You have to prepare yourself for later on down the road. If you can rush the ball effectively, even against 9 in the box, that's fine. But let's work on vertical routes and challenging the field vertically. Let's at least call the plays. Check down to the dumpoff or the back in the flat or the crease. That's fine. But, let's give our offensive line a chance to work on legitimate terms by opening up the box and going one on one with their opponent. Let's go vertical just to show the rest of the teams on our schedule that we MIGHT.

You don't do it now, you won't have any experience when you HAVE to do it later. You play to win this game. With that, I agree. But, if you all talk about "getting the ground game work", I disagree. We need MUCH MORE WORK on Pass Pro and vertical passing than anything else in our offensive gameplan.

Bottom line, I think Jimbo Fisher has seen his last season opener at LSU. I won't be disappointed if he returns. If he improves, I'll be the first to congratulate him. This isn't some crusade like my John Brady stance. I don't think Fisher is eroding LSU's credibility, tradition, and future character by his remaining on.

I just think that he's not doing a good job this year. This was the most important year of his tenure in Tiger Town, and the rub is that he has failed to develop a quarterback, for whatever reason. Be it something personal. Be it the between the ears part for both. Be it drops from the wideouts. Be it two bust recruits. But he hasn't done his job, and this is the first time it can be said.

It was the single worst time and season for this to happen. Borderline inexcusable. I think given the situation with Jimbo and head coaching opportunities, I believe it best for him to move on.

Again, fire away.

 

Well, his name has been mentioned as a possibility for the Washington job so maybe that'll solve your problems.

Who's going to replace him? Bobby Williams? Morris Watts?

 

Saban simply did not want to give the game away by letting his QB's throw picks. Is our passing game in that bad of a shape? Yes. It had nothing to do with "working on the running game." It was the best chance to win. It worked. Our best chance to win the remaining games will probably require a different strategy. I do agree that we do need to throw more deep balls to loosen up the defense a little. Even if we can't complete them. Problems with the passing game are multifactorial. Bowe is too worried about getting hit, I guess.

 

Ralph Wiggum. I am not a cynic whose only going to point out problems. This much I'm aware of.

Ron Zook's offensive coordinator was Ed Zaunbrecher. He beat LSU's defense last year when they were the best in the NATION. He did it with a true freshman at quarterback and no rushing attack to speak of.

Zaunbrecher was demoted this year, and the "perimeter passing coordinator" who was the understudy to Ed was given the reigns. The new OC was a "Zook insider" much like a "DiNardo Insider" like a Charlie Coiner or Joe Cullen or Bob McConnell.

He did not call plays nor develop game day strategy. This fits with the "DiNardo-itis" that some say Zook was afflicted with in wanting assistant coaches who knew either as much or less than he did. Now that's not what got Zook fired (Being ate up with a serious case of the dumbass did, along with him being genetically unlucky enough to not be born named Steve Spurrier).

I will say this...I've been seriously impressed with Zaunbrecher's gameplan that he put together to literally pick apart LSU's defense last year. The breaking the huddle and getting to the line with :15 seconds or more, to let Zaunbrecher himself read the defense from the booth, and then quickly signaling in the play and the read, in order to take the pressure off of the 18 year old Leak. The no huddle offense to take away LSU's bread and butter substitution based on down and distance to specialize its playmaking ability. To pick apart the middle of the field when NO ONE ELSE DID ALL YEAR.

You tell me what defense was better in College Football last year?

You tell me who was the only Offensive Coordintor who beat it?

You have my answer.

 

I'd have to disagree... the most important year he's been here at LSU? It seems to me, that last year was the most important year. If it wasn't for what he and LSU did last year, this year wouldn't seem near as "important". I do agree that he has failed to develop a quarterback though.

 

Perspective on YOUR part would lead you to throw out the 55 we hung on Arkansas State and the 51 we hung on Moo U.

That's 106 points right there alone...

So we scored 117 points in games against what "some" would call quality opponents (I don't think Troy nor Vanderbilt nor even Oregon State should be called quality opponents).

That's 117 points versus 6 opponents, three of whom I say shouldn't be even on the field with us! That's an average of 19.5 per game.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, iststlmcdlt (I can NEVER remember your dang name off hand!). Perspective is in the eye of the beholder. This offense is about 10 points WORSE than even what you think.