If we go 12-1 or 11-2, do you think Miles still cans Crowton?

I would argue the opposite. If Crowton is such a genius, as he was billed by many upon his arrival, then he can make lemons into lemonade and turn JJ/JL into at least consistently competent senior QBs, while the freshmen recruits take it all in and learn his system.

To get a fresh coaching start with a player who has some experience and freshmen who don't. And maybe teach a thing or two about being an SEC QB to our two seniors.

Are you serious? Jimbo developed the #1 overall draft pick at QB and the QB who helped win an NC. Bo's defenses were consistently top-ranked. Crowton has a DOCUMENTED history of failure at every stop since La Tech after year 1, we're not talking a bunch of fans BSing on a fan forum. You're telling me he had bad QBs to work with at all those schools so it's not his fault? Including Dennis Dixon?

 

JJ and JL _may_ have already turned into "competent" QBs. Dont want to hex them but I'm mildly optimistic.

Yes I am very serious that there are threads in this forum blasting both Bo and Jimbo. Fans are fickle. Surprise.

Are you telling me Les is an idiot? Is that what you are saying? If it was so damn obvious Crowton was a hack, then Les would have been an idiot to hire the guy for one of the plum positions in college football. How do you explain that?

 

Feel better? Is our offense better now that you've said that?

 

I get it now. Making wholesale coaching changes to a 12-1 team doesn't guarantee a 13-0 team. I would be pretty satisfied with 12-1 and our prospects for next season.

Don't draw to a straight. It's a sucker move.

 

SF, I understand your point, same as why we don't get rid of Miles, but given the fact that we have had a subpar to horrible O for 3 yrs running I don't think the 12-1 record should overshadow that fact. We are winning because of how strong our D is, our ST play, and how good of a coach Miles is, but don't you think that we should be able to have a completely balanced team that doesn't have to rely on only 2 phases of the team to win?

 

I said consistently competent. And their performances have been anything but, as ULM showed.

Unqualified people talking or BSing their way into plush jobs happens all the time, in every profession. Tennessee and USC both hired Kiffen on the basis of hype and a non-existent resume. Are their ADs both necessarily idiots? ND bombed spectacularly with Charlie Weis, who had a similar reputation to Crowton as an offensive "genius", and ended up having to cut him an enormous buyout check as a result. Are the people running their program idiots?

Personally I believe Les brought Crowton in because of his experience in running a spread option. That offense was tailor-made for a QB like Perrilloux. And when that fell through, we were stuck with him.

Now your turn to answer a question. For me to believe that Crowton isn't the primary problem is to believe that he is not responsible for the horrendous offenses that he COACHED, that hit rock bottom since 2001. I'll be generous and give him the benefit of the doubt with the Bears. How do you explain the self-destruction of those offenses? Were all the QBs he coached bad? Is he that unlucky of a coach? I'm dying to hear a plausible answer to these questions.

We've presented facts and shown how our current production and tendencies parallels, with shocking similarity, what his offenses at BYU and Oregon produced. You've changed the subject, and brought up ultimately irrelevant fan forum comments and conjecture as a rebuttal. Please provide a direct response with some solid logic to back them up, or there's no point in continuing the discussion.

 

Getting rid of Crowton isn't making wholesale changes. When people suggested that LSU would be better off without Miles, it was stated that Les Miles is a CEO style coach who is only as good as his assistants. People said they had faith that Miles would make the right decisions for the future of the program. The decision on Crowton's future is an example of that. Someone has to be held accountable for the poor offense. Are we seriously blaming everything on the players now? Like I said before, if coaches were never fired when players weren't executing, the no coaches would ever be fired.

 

Then why are you on these forums? That's exactly what we're here for. For us to discuss ways of making it better.

Brow beating people for discussing this possibility is just as silly, if not more so.

Do you also tell Fox News to stop running stories because "We're stuck with Obama, little is gained by constantly complaining and wishing things were better."

The iPhone 4 has sold MILLIONS even with the antenna problem it had. Does that mean the person that pushed for the external antenna is still there because the overall product is still selling well? NO! Apple fired him.

The more successful a program, the more accountable people should be for maintaining that success. After 3 years Crowton was given his chance and he should be held accountable.

 

How is giving my opinion "brow beating" any more than you stating an opposing view. You are attacking me, not my views. That's brow beating...Dane.

 

I haven't nor will I study Crowton's entire career-long body of work. As such I will not offer an ill formed opinion about it. Nor am I defending this play call by Crowton or that play call. Or this offensive philosophy vs that. Nor am I saying LSU should keep him. Or let him go. What I do have an opinion about is that it is wrong to blame Crowton for LSU's QB woes of the last 3 years and wrong to have expected him to turn JJ or JL into stars.

Finally, you paint a picture of Crowton as having such an established, obvious resume of a loser that no program should have even considered hiring him in 2008. Maybe next time Les should consult you before he makes a hire so he can avoid another "obvious" mistake.