That's a mighty damn broad statement azzhole. What is your family origin? Maybe we can make some broad generalizations about your ancestry.
Seriously Dane, that's a pretty unintelligent thing to do...especially when you're questioning someone else's intelligence. I like your football philosophies and opinions but you should leave it at that. Nothing else matters, here.
Hey, buddy, here are my biggest gripes about Lee: - Pick sixes - that third down where he wimped out - erratic passes - No improvement No ground to stand on? You said 90% of all threads bashing Lee originate with me. That's a lie, and you know that is what I was talking about. Lee wasn't the issue in your post to me. The issue was me turning into a "memory" and me being the originator of 90% of all threads bashing Lee. That is highly, highly misleading. What the heck have I lied about? The wimp out, the erratic passes, the pick sixes, etc. have been my gripes. There has been nothing I've lied about nor has there been anyone I've mislead. Anyone honest could watch Lee and admit that he proves all my points. Okay, here are some freshman/first time starter stats for you... Colt McCoy - 217/318 2570 yds 68.2% 8.08 avg 29 TDs 7 INTs Tyrell Pryor - 84/129 1076 yds 65.1% 8.34 avg 9 TDs 3 INTs Sam Bradford - 237/341 3121 yds 69.5% 9.15 avg 36 TDs 8 INTs Max Hall - 298/496 3848 yds 60.1% 7.76 avg 26 TDs 12 INTs Zac Robinson - 201/333 2824 yds 60.4% 8.48 avg 23 TDs 9 INTs Case Keenum - 187/273 2259 yds 68.5% 8.28 avg 14 TDs 10 INTs Kellen Moore - 190/268 2427 yds 70.9% 9.06 avg 20 TDs 6 INTs Austin Davis - 208/364 2401 yds 57.1% 6.60 avg 17 TDs 7 INTs Bo Levi Mitchell - 201/337 2517 yds 59.6% 7.47 avg 23 TDs 19 INTs Bold are freshmen this year. These guys may not be SEC guys, but hell, they're leaps and bounds better than Lee, and most of which weren't as highly recruited. They may not see the defense Lee sees, but they don't have the offensive line, WRs, RBs, coaches, etc. that Lee has either. Okay... Lee against UGA, Florida, and Bama: 50/100 677 yds 50% 6 TDs 9 TDs (4 pick sixes) for a standard QB rating of... 54.46 Since everyone likes using Stafford, let's look at his last three games of his freshman season against Kentucky, Auburn, Georgia Tech (I don't know the rankings)... 16/28 230 yds 57.1% 8.21 avg 1 TD 3 INTs (loss) 14/20 219 yds 70.0% 10.95 avg 1 TD 0 INTs (win) 16/29 171 yds 55.2% 5.90 avg 1 TD 0 INTs (win) for a total of: 46/77 59.7% 620 yds 3 TDs 3 INTs (with no pick sixes to my knowledge) Improved mentally every game. Here is Lee over the last three games: UGA - 14/28 287 yds 50.0% 3 TDs 3 INTs (2 pick sixes) Tulane!!! - 8 /20 99 yds 40.0% 1 TD 1 INTs (1 pick six) Bama - 13/34 181 yds 38.2% 1 TD 4 INTs (1 pick six) From 50% to 40% to 38.2%. From 3 TDs (UGA gave up 2 of them at the end when they were warming up the bus) to 1 TD to 1 TD. From 2 pick 6's to 1 pick 6 to 1 pick 6. From 3 INTs to 1 INT to 4 INTs) I guess he's cut his pick 6's to one a game since UGA. I'll give him that. 8 out of nine games, he's thrown a pick. 7 games in a row with a pick. No you're stats are misleading because you aren't looking at the progress Stafford made. Besides, find another QB. Stafford is the only guy everyone chooses to compare Lee to. Unlike Stafford, Lee has made NO progress over the last 4-5 games. NONE. I just blew your argument out of the water. And you're an elitist. Figures.
My family is from the Sicilian Island, Italy. My Great Grandparents came over on a boat when my grandmother was 2 and they originally lived in New Orleans before moving to CenLa. My wife however, is cajun. I'm fine if people want to take any shot at me being a WOP or anything of the sort. One of my good friend's (who is cajun) his grandfather used to call me a "WOP sicile". I don't get upset about it, because it's true. We've digressed from the point of the thread, but I will say that, most broad sweeping generalizations made about groups, are usually made in the first place because they have some basis in truth. How much depends on the group, but at least to some degree, truth. However, for the sake of the forum, I will say that if some people were offended, I am sorry that my statement touched a nerve, and leave it at that. Again though, more on point, no one that has a difference of opinion with me about Lee has cared to counter my post in the thread I linked to.
The biggest falacy is that those QB's are not in the SEC. For any QB outside of the SEC, that's great that they had good freshman seasons. Nor was my comment saying that Lee was having a "great" / "good" freshman season. My comments have all been along the lines that I recognize that Lee has made plenty of mistakes. Ranging from sloppy execution to just plain bad. I've never said Lee HASN'T been erratic with passes, thrown Pick-6's, or locked on to recievers. To the contrary, I agree that he has made those mistakes. What I am saying however, is that if you look at stats, Lee is still doing better than how some QB's who are now seen as "Leaders" started off their career. I suppose we should compare QB's in the SEC. JPW who is the QB of Bama so far this year: 139 of 235 for 59.1%. 6.9 ypa. 5 INT's. 8 TD's. 124.27 QB Rating. 23.5 Atts a game for 162.7 ypg. His stats for a senior are not at all head and shoulders above a Freshman QB in Lee. Casey Dick of Ark another SENIOR's stats so far this year: 187 of 328 for 57%. 7.3 ypa. 14 INT's. 11 TD's. 120.73 QB Rating. ~33 Atts a game for 238.9 ypg. Again, a senior who Lee's stats are very comparable to. Jevan Snead from Ole Miss. A SO QB who played 10 games as a Freshman (at Texas before transfering) stats so far this season: 130 of 242 for 53.7%. 7.5 ypa. 11 INT's. 14 TD's. 126.65 QB rating. ~27 Atts a game for 201 ypg. Comparable to Lee's stats so far this season. Tyson Lee of Miss. State A Junior QB. His stats so far this season: 114 of 183 for 62.3%. 6.1 ypa. 4 INT's. 4 TD's. 116.51 QB Rating. ~23 Atts a game for 139.9 ypg. Have you noticed a pattern so far? Any one of USCe's QB's. Their stats combine for: 182 of 318 for 57.2%. 7.2 ypa. 17 INT's. 17 TD's. 124.67 QB rating. ~32 Atts a game for 229 ypg. Even MORE QB play in the SEC that Lee's averages compare to. Vanderbilt uses 2 QB's. A Senior and a Junior. Thier combined average for the season is: 99 of 193 for 51.3%. 5.2 ypa. 8 INT's. 10 TD's. 103.50 QB Rating. 21 Atts a game for 110.8 ypg. Mike Hartline from Kentucky SO QB: 148 of 273 for 54.2%. 5.1 ypa. 7 INT's. 8 TD's. 101.46 QB Rating. 30 Atts a game for 154.2 ypg. Chris Todd of Auburn. Junior QB: 86 of 156 for 55.1%. 5.8 ypa. 6 INT's. 5 TD's. 106.64 QB Rating. 22 Atts a game for 129 yards. As a matter-o-fact the only 2 stand out QB's in the entire SEC are Tim Tebow of Florida and Matthew Stafford of Georgia, who are both Juniors. One of which Matthew Stafford as a freshman played very similiar to JLee. I don't care about OOC. SEC is about tough defenses and grinding it out. It's suppose to be where the biggest, fastest, strongest come to play. Every QB that I listed except for Garcia from USCe is not a Freshman. There were (if I remember correctly) 2 SO QB's, and the rest were either Juniors or Seniors. I know everyone wants our QB to be a standout stud, but if you look at stats, you don't need an amazing QB to win NC's. Lee (aside from Garcia who has only started a few games for USCe) is the ONLY Freshman QB playing in the SEC. Yet his stats are comparing with the rest of league, and he's ONLY A FRESHMAN. As far as Lee's stats go and not "improving", that's only partly true. While his stats are bad for Tulane and Alabama, the Alabama game was only the 2nd game of the season that he threw more INT's than TD's (the other game was USCe where he threw 1 INT and 0 TD's). His stats also actually went up from Florida, to USCe, to Georgia. To compare, Matthew Stafford (I will continue to use him because he seems like a very similiar comparision to Lee) in his first 9 games of his freshman season had 5 Games where he threw more INT's than TD's. He also had 5 games where his QB Rating dipped below 100. In Lee's first 9 games, his QB Rating has dipped below 100, 3 times. Heck against Florida this year, Matthew Stafford actually played worse than Lee. Stafford threw 54.5% comp. 3 INT's, 0 TD's. 103.82 QB Rating. Lee threw 60.5% comp. 2 INT's, 2 TD's. 113.57 QB Rating. That's 11 QB's total (3 USCe, 2 Vanderbilt) that Lee's stats are comparable to so far THIS SEASON. Not just their freshman year, but this year. There's only 2 QB's in the entire SEC that Lee's stats don't compare to. I'm all for pointing out mistakes that players might make, and while yes Lee has made some boneheaded plays some of which might have cost us a game or two, I simply don't think the stats point to Lee being a "horrible QB" especially by freshman standards. Is Lee rattled? Yes. Is Lee timid on making passes? Sometimes. He's thinking too much about the INT's. They've been able to get into his head and I'm sure the fans boo'ing haven't helped at all. This season should have been using complaining about RP saying "Give Lee a chance to play". But because RP was such an idiot we've had a throw Lee to the wolves for the sake of the team. I honestly don't know if Lee is ever going to recover from this season, but one thing all fans should do is thank lee because he potentially just gave up his chance to be a great QB for the sake of this season's team. He's taken all this flack, just so JJ might have a chance to develop like a NORMAL QB and have a chance. I'm not saying Lee is done for, but he shouldn't be starting this year, but because of the situation he manned up and did the best he could. I'm one of the ones that believe that we shouldn't constantly be calling for his head, but realize the sacrifice this kid just made for the team. Hate me all you want, but give the kid that's made a huge sacrifice for the team a break. He's been a true tiger through out this entire process. Never put the blame on anyone else, and has always accepted his criticism. Heck that's even more than what Miles has done when he threw the WR's under the bus after the game.
I admit, I may have went overboard with my comment. It's obvious some people are more sensitive to stereotypes than others. Bad form on my part indeed. My frustration is more towards people not cutting Lee any slack than anything else. I appologize for my remark to those who might feel it was hurtful.
