I dont know what to say

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  1. LSU-SIU

    LSU-SIU Founding Member

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    Shake up the coaching staff, long-term that is the only solution. Either now or waste another 3-4 months, that is the choice. Throwing QBs into the fire pit is not the solution.

    Demote Skeletor, put the G-man in the box, if you don't like the results this year, clean house at the end of the year.

    Lee has the 2nd best arm in the SEC, but not in this offense though. Crowton has lead each team he has coached down the tubes in offense.
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. You will never be satisfied, no matter who the coach is.
     
  3. LSU-SIU

    LSU-SIU Founding Member

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    Absolutely not true. I fine with the coaches that are there now, the chances of seeing another championship with Crowton though is a different story. I am fine with a 8-10 win season, it's the rest of the fans that won't be. I saw this coming years ago, this didn't happen this year... it started in 2007. All the rest of the fanboys are waking up from their delusion, getting mad at me is not going to solve anything.
     
  4. Fishhead

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    Damnit SIU, I TRY to agree with you...but you're unbearable! You are right (IMO)...and have BEEN right about Crowton. I don't know of many that disagree, save for ISLSTL. But they are NOT going to fire Crowton mid season. Yes, they should've fired Crowton after LAST season. But they are NOT going to do it mid season.
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    Nobody is saying putting Lee in is going to propel this team to greatness. (Actually, some may be saying that...but they're ill informed) But it MIGHT be better than what is there now. At least there will be a THREAT of a passing game. Lee can pass. The problem now is that JJ...JJ is losing this team (offense) NOW. QB change is MUCH more likely than OC change mid season.
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    And no Red, I don't have a link to prove JJ is losing the offense. I have eyes.
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    JL needs to START next week against UT, and JJ needs to ride pine. If we get an insurmountable lead, JJ needs to come in for mop up duty. It won't be because Lee is such a great QB if the season turns around. But it MIGHT be because he provides a spark. The rest of the offense MIGHT just play harder for him. I know I work harder for someone that isn't immature and yelling at me for every mistake I make. Especially if their mistakes are what the problem really is.
     
  5. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    I'm no Crowton fan, but do you really think handing the ball to Ridley up the middle 20 times, sticking with the option, and not trying JL is his doing?

    While he may not be the OC, Miles is an offense guy, and the offense is putrid. Does he not gameplan? Or is he solely responsible for being a figurehead on the sidelines?
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    What do you suggest they do? I'm sure input from someone with absolutely no knowlege of the inner workings of the program would be extrermely helpful.

    I wonder why things are as they are but I'm smart enough to know my input would be of no use whatsoever.

    And, as always, the backup QB is the most popular player on the team. I'd love to see JL start next week against Tennessee, but then I wonder why haven't they done it yet? Be careful what you wish for.
     
  7. lsudolemite

    lsudolemite CodeJockey Extraordinaire

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    So who is he supposed to gameplan around? The QB who can't consistently hit passes longer than 5 yards who spots the other team 6 points and couldn't move the ball against La Tech with NFL receiving talent? Or the QB who can't consistently hit passes longer than 5 yards who can occasionally scramble for a 2-yard gain on a good night with NFL receiving talent?
     
  8. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    we never ran the option until GC got here.
    that zone read, the pistol formation, shotgun with 4 wides and no blocking.
    crossing patterns 4yds short of the 1st down marker.
    all showed up when Crowton did.

    Ridley up the middle is the ONLY thing working worth a chit on this offense, so i ain't gonna complain about it too much just yet.
    But if we can't find SOMETHING else to work at least occasionally, the run up the gut will probably become less and less effective.

    as far as sticking with an ineffective QB, your guess is as mine.
    i would guess the head coach makes the personnel decisions, but that's nothing more than a guess.
     
  9. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    First, I suggest you delete your TigerFan.com account.

    Secondly, why even post on a message board like this, as your opinions are just as invalid and useless as mine?

    I know Les Miles isn't going to call me and ask for my input, but why should that deter me from coming here and voicing opinions and stating my dissatisfaction with the coach, play calling, player development, booing, etc?

    Trust me, I'm not confident in what JL can do, but my question was directed to Fishhead because he makes it seem as though all the blame should be on Crowton. He even stated that Crowton should have been fired after last season.

    I simply asked if Miles has any input. If not, Miles is simply a good recruiter and sideline figurehead, if so, he is just as guilty as Crowton for this mess. Either way, it's not good.

    I'm with you, bro. I was simply posing a question that forces Fish to pass blame on Miles AS WELL as Crowton. You can't simply blame Crowton for this mess of an offense and completely leave Miles' name out of your post. Fish mentioned that JJ should ride the pine. Do you honestly think Crowton is the one who decides who plays and sits?

    I would think that Crowton would rather a gunslinger, but honestly, I don't really know. In '08, besides the pick sixes, the offense wasn't as much of a problem as the defense was. The issues with the offense weren't magnified until '09 when things seemed to get worse, especially with the o-line in pass protection and blocking. Now that no one has improved, it looks even worse, as hard as that is to imagine.

    But all that worked in '07, and arguably in '08. It wasn't until after '08 (particularly in the '08 Arkansas game) that I think Miles became heavily involved with the offense. I think Crowton uses his playbook in a fashion that is acceptable to Les Miles.

    And I'm not saying Crowton is innocent. I think he is to blame a lot for the bad play calling, but if you look at what Crowton did with other QBs and offenses, it's hard to believe this is the same guy.

    lol - I agree, and this leads me to believe that this is Miles' doing (positive rushing yards are good), which leads me to believe further that this isn't his only involvement with the offense. I highly doubt it has stopped strictly at the running game. He's carrying around a play sheet on the sidelines now. This means that he is ALSO to blame for poor play calling and coaching/player development. They are both to blame.

    I think Les is a control freak, not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that in a head coach, especially if he knows what he is doing. You can tell this by his inability to change anything from last year and his constant bullcrap about how the option is a good play, JJ is getting better, "we did want we wanted to do offensively," etc. nonsense. He doesn't want to be proven wrong nor admit something isn't working, so he is sticking with it and being bull-headed, so much so that things are getting worse.

    JL was used in one series, then pulled. That's not enough to get a rhythm.

    But of course, just like everything else on this board, that is only my opinion.
     
  10. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I have been granted lifetime immunity due to my ability to get to the crux of matters and flush out posers.


    A lot of people here do that. I guess your style just aggravates the crap out of me. I can't help it. Low tolerance and all...You come across as a know it all jerk. But, that's just me.
     
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