I call your boycott and raise you your lights

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  1. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Are you serious? Do you really what to play stupid? Fine. My ten year old could tell you what is wrong with this law. of course she also has no problem connecting her laptop to our encrypted WiFi network, so maybe there's a correlation.

    The law orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. How do police determine when to question and who to question? That it requires anyone to carry identification brings Arizona that much closer to a police state should terrify everyone. It also gives the police the right to detain someone they feel "could" be an illegal. Exactly how is that going to be determined?

    I doubt that we see many (if any) white people pulled to the side and asked to display their "alien registration documents". It relies on physical appearance and skin color too heavily and it's a form of discrimination. Do we really want to teach our children to judge others on their skin color?

    I don't know why I'm shocked that the last state to recognize Martin Luther King's birthday as a holiday would pass something like this.

    Realistically, I see one of two scenarios playing out:

    1) Nothing changes. Police officers ignore the legislation making this an extremely expensive and polarizing way to spend taxpayer funds.

    2) It's enforced widely and a rash of lawsuits from the ACLU are filed against police departments across the state draining them of taxpayer money.

    Why? Just to appease the fringe right-wing xenophobes?
     
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  2. BAY0U BENGAL

    BAY0U BENGAL I'm a Chinese Bandit

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    Your 10 year old should start law school today
     
  3. BAY0U BENGAL

    BAY0U BENGAL I'm a Chinese Bandit

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    One thing I want to know. Is the ACLU an advocate even if the plaintiff is an illegal alien? Should our courts really be hearing cases brought by illegals? I'm just wondering.
     
  4. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    people seem to keep forgetting that the person must have had just cause to be stopped in the first place.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Yep, legalize it and you wont have the cartel problem. They are killing people because it's illegal, and they control the black market.
     
  6. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    Hmm… so she has access to all of the security settings on her laptop? Nice parenting there, go ahead and let her surf porn. That said, I highly doubt that, even if you have given her administrator access, that she would know how to go into the security settings and set a password for your wireless network. My kids laptops are not the issue, it’s the iPhone.

    So you have a problem with the police questioning people who they have reason to believe have committed a crime? I never leave my house without my identification. If a cop asks me for it, I’ll gladly show it. I have nothing to hide. If they are here legally, they will have nothing to hide either. Your paranoia is asinine.

    If these people have the appropriate identification, they will be back on their merry way very shortly, safe in the knowledge that they are not breaking the law.

    I want to teach my children to obey the law. I guess you are telling yours that it’s ok to break the law and that it’s not ok for the cops to do anything about it? (As an aside, last Friday, my daughter had her black bff spend the night. This afternoon, as in most afternoons, there will be 4 Spanish kids in my backyard playing soccer w/ just as many white kids. I guess we are doing ok on the skin color thing. Grow up.)

    I don't know why you're shocked either.

    Glad you have it figured out. If the cops ignore it, what makes it extremely expensive?

    So if the law is constitutional, what will the ACLU have to sue about? It’s about enforcing the law. When did threat of an ACLU lawsuit become justification for not enforcing the law?

    Again, you miss the point. This is not about xenophobia, it’s about enforcing our laws and securing our borders. All these people have to do is come in through the front door, by our rules.
     
  7. Indiana Tiger

    Indiana Tiger Founding Member

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    I have no idea if the ACLU is bringing cases on behalf of illegals. I do know that they're involved with a large class action suit on behalf of legal immigrants and US citizens. I've linked to the case before in the thread on the AZ law if in the unlikely event you want to inform yourself.
     
  8. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    Why the vitriol?
     
  9. Indiana Tiger

    Indiana Tiger Founding Member

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    Because I think it's a waste of time, I'm not to repeat all the arguments made before. I'll just point out some resources. WRT things like this and training, I suggest researching how things are done now. In addition to the lawsuit I mentioned above, take a look at this article:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/the-future-of-the-city/archive/2010/05/the-best-case-against-arizonas-immigration-law-the-experience-of-greater-phoenix/56859/


    I would recommend exploring some of the links, especially the Pulitzer prize winning articles on the subject. The New Yorker article requires subscription, but if you can get your hands on it, I would recommend it too. Or you could just ignore it because it's the product of the libra media.
     
  10. Indiana Tiger

    Indiana Tiger Founding Member

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    Vitriol? This? Just an opinion blandly stated.
     

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