News Hospital released Ebola patient by mistake

Here is a good reason to do exactly that. First Africa, now Dallas.

 

I provided a very specific short list and it did not include closed borders. You might have seen it had you not been so quick to defend or assume a political stance in my comment.

There is nothing traditional about ebola. We haven't faced this before. All the months of reassurance by the CDC and the NIH about how prepared we were have gone out the window. Please provide the list of Republicans who have said that he doesn't have the authority to give the CDC authority to act locally.

Do you know how much we have spent so far in treating the ebola virus in the US? These equipped jets that have made a few trips from Africa to the US have cost millions. The cost grows every single day. It doesn't matter who wants to fund it or not, it's a sunk cost at this point.

You and Mastermind crack me up. Not a word when the CDC was criticized, nor the judge or any other official entity. As soon as I comment on how the POTUS has responded to a growing medical crisis in the US (certainly as serious as the recent Secret Service debacle), it's a political issue. This isn't politics. The man in the WH was out fundraising for the last week or so (despite you constantly pointing out that he isn't running again) and he finally stopped to address ebola. Talking about hugs was sadly unresponsive. Sort of like this....



Or let me guess, you actually thought this was good.

 

Red there are times when action as USC suggested is necessary...That isn't big government but responding to the situation. Big government is the continous application of such. While there are many on the right who have a blanket aversion to use of presidential authority (or any action by this president) most of us recognize it can be the only way to deal with certain crises and this may well be one.

BTW many of my criticisms of the president have been for his lack of action in certain situations. He sought the office and wanted the responsibility... he needs to man up and accept the burden and criticism.

The Rs should fund both

 

Until this disease is under control, absolutely.

 

What the fuck is that?

 

Taking this out of the political I think we need to better understand what is really happening with this strain of the virus. Earlier outbreaks have burned out due to thye fact Ebola killed so quickly that it couldn't spread easily. In places with equal or worse health care only a few died in each outbreak. The mortality rate was estimated at 80-90% yet it never spread very far or for very long.

Now we see closer to a 50% mortality rate and the rate of infection seems to be greater. CDC and WHO ispredicting 10,000 new cases a month or greater. This is an order of magnitue greater than today and several orders greater than the past. Something has changed.

Is this due to a change in the virus that allows it to survive longer outside the body. Is it building virus loads faster yet slower in the damage it does to the person?

Why are precautions that were effective last year not so much today. Yes each case is classified as a failure to properly use the procedures but doesn't that beg a question? Why after years of dealing with the sickness we are seein MORE failures? Normal progress would expect that precautions are more effectivly followed as we gain experiance. You would expec to see more mistakes in past years rather than now.

These are questions that need to be asked and answered quickly. IF Ebola is changing we need to recognize and adapt.

 

All we need from the president is to provide the support that the WHO requests and publicly say that he will provide all the resources necessary to keep the virus at bay here in the USA. I don't think there is much else he can do. This 'crisis' is left up to the medical community to handle. The public over-reaction will ease soon now that the proper response and care are in place.

Politicians are horrible at doing most things. Running wars, balancing budgets, fighting deadly diseases to name a few. You can see now how they are lining up to make political statements. The Dems are out there saying that we could have a cure right now if the Republicans did not cut the budget to medical research. Speculative bullshit. Ted Cruise wants to call a special session of Congress to make a govt response because he blames Obama for the mistakes here and not doing more to secure the country from ebola coming here. Posturing bullshit. They are pandering for votes with a month left until the election.

We are losing focus. Politicians love that. Don't believe the hype.

 

Context please. My comment there was a direct reply to Mastermind who asked with irreverence what I thought Obama should do, close the African borders? At that point I had already given plenty of suggestions and none of them included the African borders. It was not a political shot at the President. It was a shot. He is subject to review when he takes to the TV camera to address a grave situation.

Who said anything about a takeover? I said that he should give the CDC local authority to make medically specific decisions that effect the public's health and safety. That would be prudent. I don't care what Republicans might say or do. If they were to fight it, I will call them idiots.

We obviously disagree on what Presidential "action" is. He said he hugged healthcare workers. I heard that amidst the House hearings and the potential walkout by Dallas nurses, the constant updating of errors in handling this entire case, and the transfer of patients to authorized hospitals. His response was so out of place, I was stunned.

He isn't running. He has and was spending time recently, raising money. There is so much shit going on, that seems irrelevant. However, I think it isn't really important in the ebola scheme of things.

And all of that is still not on the level of what I suggested. It's administrative bullshit. Alacrity. He needs to get some.

I just don't see it that way. Doing "something" is a waste if it's not effective or useful. "Don't just stand there, do something". I don't know how seriously folks are taking this. Some are, some don't seem to be.

Let's be clear, there was no attempt by me to lecture anyone, least of all people on this forum. I was comparing Presidential "presence" in the face of a national crisis. I could also have picked Dubya's face in front of the 9/11 school children, or his flak jacket arrival on the carrier. The one I chose just happens to be the most recognizable and demonstrable to make my point. We have no idea where this current ebola situation will go in the US. What we do know is that so far the CDC has been less than efficient or transparent and people seem to be lying to cover their asses. It just doesn't work for me to have the POTUS say that he's hugging people.