Hoops Recruiting (2011)

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  1. TGer'nLHornLand

    TGer'nLHornLand Founding Member

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    I agree with you whole heartedly. I threw this out there, largely to pull all of the arm chair recruiting "experts" out of their armchairs and to spur on the debate. While LSU fans have often simply made the claim that the achilles heel of LSU teams has always been the PG position, I'm not necessarily one of those that says, we "have to" have this or that. To me, the key to success is far more tied into a teams ability to not turnover the ball, to play smart and play good team defense and offense. Sure, sometimes that starts with your PG play, but often times an adequate PG, but strengths everywhere else can get you by. Case in point LSU's 2006 FF team, which had Darrell Mitchell, a Senior "out of position" SG playing point. Or, even Torris Bright, a converted SG playing point for Brady's Sweet 16 run. Truthfully, Trent has had his fair share of really good points, like Travis Knight (Stanford), but he's also made good runs with big men and just an adequate point (Lopez team).

    I actually think that the inability to find scoring (and scoring without relying on a 25 foot 3 pointer) and better team defense, was a bigger deal last year, than LSU's lack of a "point guard". As the season wore on, you'll find that Andre Stringers A 2 TO ratio, actually wasn't significantly worse than say, Darrell Mitchell in his day, or Torris Bright in his day. I want to say that he was roughly a 1.2 to 1.3 Ast to 1 TO guy. What killed LSU was what happened with the ball after the ball got out of Stringer's hand. Whether it was Derenbecker or Ludwig with an ill-advised pass, or White or Green turning the ball over. So, would an improved backcourt of Stringer and Turner, and a more effective frontline (that is a couple of post players that when they get the ball, either draw double teams, get fouled or at least hit their layups), help to over come the lack of a "true point"? Yes.

    That's why Dylan is so appealing. He's actually a true combo guard. He is big enough, and good enough of a shooter, to score your points in case Turner is off, or Stringer is off. But, he's good enough of a ball handler, to not turnover the ball, penetrate into the lane, and kick out to an open shooter. Frankly as well, Bass is a decent "pass first" PG who can be effective if there are multiple scoring options around him. In addition to this, what is also very appealing about Talley from a recruiting perspective is he's a JUCO signee who doesn't terribly disrupt your recruiting flow with 2012 PG recruits, including the likes of Javan Felix and J-Michael Reese, who could come in and get the experience of playing behind various style PGs like Talley, Stringer.

    And, yes, I hear what you say about Isaac. I really do like this kid, IN FACT, I actually made the point, that Dylan Talley is just an older, more experienced version of Isaac. Which is what makes Dylan potentially coming here so great. I don't think anyone wants to put pressure on LSU freshman to HAVE to produce, that's the beauty of having deeper more experienced teams. Having Dylan to play against Isaac and teach him a thing or two, is ideally what you'd have in place. I do think Isaac then could be redshirted, or frankly will be much more effective as a SO, JR, etc. having watched what Talley did before him.

    Hickey is appealing for a different theory. He's a burner, he's a guy who gives you a lot of lateral quickness. Presumably for a tempo change, a quicker faster kid who can be disruptive on offense and defense. He's more raw from a shooting perspective, with most of his scores coming on slashing drives. He's still got some growing up though, like any FR, and you just wonder if you need another young backcourt mate. He's certainly a nice player to replace a kid like Populist, and give you more PG insurance against Stringer say going down, but does he give you the scoring of Talley?
     
  2. stevescookin

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    Does Ethan Martin still have any eligibility left ??????? :D
     
  3. TGer'nLHornLand

    TGer'nLHornLand Founding Member

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  4. mrgreen21

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    Was just about to post that!
    Not sure about his stats " He averaged 22.5 points, 7.3 rebounds, 6.5 steals and 4.8 assists in four games." that's tournament stats and 18.6 points, 4.7 assists, 4.5 rebounds and 4.0 steals in the reg season... From a small PG you would want to see higher assist but I cant deny his steals total is impressive...It would be nice to have a pesky lil defender up top!
     
  5. bhelmLSU

    bhelmLSU Founding Member Staff Member

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    Talley to Nebraska :(
     
  6. mrgreen21

    mrgreen21 Founding Member

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  8. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    This is the beginning of the end for CTJ. If you cannot out recruit Nebraska........
     
  9. mrgreen21

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    I knew somebody was going to say that!
     
  10. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    I think this program has regressed enough to where the credibility of posters calling out "negatigers" should be called into question.

    Yes, TGer, CTJ has lost all of his goodwill after a 5-27 SEC record over the past two years. It's put up or shut up time, and that means NCAAs or bust.

    It's flat out embarrassing to lose players to programs on NCAA investigation (Grooms) and to a perennial Big XII doormat (Nebraska)
     

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