HOF LSU Coach Charlie McClendon: disappointment or not?

I can post plenty of posts of them whining about LSU football (anybody can), and quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing such posts.

 

Quit reading. Better yet, quit posting.
Anyway, you clearly called them out for bashing Miles...not whining about LSU football. Find a post.

 

Better yet, why not go to the core reason of their negativity? But that's the topic of another thread.

The topic of this thread is: what do you think of Coach McClendon and how he did at LSU? This is what those two replied:

Islstl isn't sold that Charlie Mac was somebody to be proud of. At least LaSalle is.

 

Chollie Mac's coaching story, and sadly, his life story as well, is over.

He was a Southerner, an Arkansas boy who played for the Bear at Kentucky.

Indeed, he was a Southern gentleman, and we never had to worry if he would ever leave LSU.

The way his predecessor had left was awkward and embarrassing, both for him and the university.

Not at all unlike the way that Miles' forerunner left.

Miles' story, truly great at the outset, is unfinished business.

We came thisclose to losing him to his alma mater, and there is no future guarantee that he will not return there someday.

They were/are both great coaches, from different eras, but better men and leaders than most other coaches, which was unlike what most would say about their predecessors.

John, your thread is both disingenuous and sad.

Disingenuous because you invoke the name of a legend who has passed on to make your point, besmirching his legacy by starting this thread and then defending your point of view the way you have.

Sad because in trying to convince folks here of Miles' success all you did was prove that it was more important for you to be right than be a real LSU fan.

Take the high road. Let folks have their opinions of Miles'. Even if they disagree with your opinion.

 

Really? Because the way reasonably intelligent people see it, the same people that have lost faith in Les Miles are the same people that would have lost faith in McClendon during the same time in his career. Do you agree or disagree with this? I'm sorry factual reality is so disturbing and sad to you.

Again:

Let's compare the Saban-to-Miles transition to the Dietzel-to-McClendon transition:

LSU had very high expectations when McClendon took over.

LSU had very high expectations when Miles took over.

A) the Dietzel-to-McClendon transition

In the four seasons before McClendon became LSU head coach (1958-1961), LSU was 35-7-1 (82.6%), #5 in the NCAA during that time...LSU won one National Title ('58) and two SEC Championships ('58 and '61)... and LSU was undefeated vs. Bear Bryant's Alabama.

Then McClendon took over and LSU went 32-10-2 during his first 4 seasons (75.0%), #12 in the NCAA. During McClendon's first 5 seasons he was 37-14-3 (71.3%), #18 in the NCAA during that time. During McClendon's entire 18 seasons as LSU head coach, LSU had only one 1 SEC Championship and zero National Championships... and was only 2-14 vs. Bear Bryant's Alabama.

B) the Saban-to-Miles transition

In the four seasons before Miles became LSU head coach (2001-2004), LSU was 40-12 (76.9%)...LSU won a second National Title ('03).

Then Miles took over and LSU went 42-11 during his first four seasons (79.2%)... LSU won a third National Title ('07).

82.6% to 75.0%/71.3%, and McClendon is a hero? 76.9% to 79.2% and Miles is a zero? :huh:

 

I somewhat disagree with that. It was probably time for Cholly Mac to move on, but I think what really sent the program reeling was the horribly untimely death of Bo Rein and having to essentially scramble for his replacement and ending up with Jerry Stoval. Not to bash Stovall, but he was certainly not anyone's first choice for a coach. And much to his credit, he took a long term view toward building the program and recruited the players the Arnsparger ended up winning with.

Because they played in what was then, and is still now, the media capital of the nation? For better of worse, like it or not, New York's media shapes the opinions of the rest of the country.

Yeah, Mike, you're so right. I didn't think they could fire Cholly Mac. He was the coach, in my eyes, forever.

I did, grad, get to see some of Coach Mac's teams play. And I vividly remember being in the stands for the :lsup: - USuCk game as a Boy Scout usher. And, though I couldn't see the play from where I was standing, I'm certain Benjy Thibodeaux didn't facemask anybody.

But, John, if that was your point, why not start the thread with those questions?

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Read this again.

You are not changing minds or opinions.

Your logic isn't bad, but your bizarrely tenacious approach overshadows that logic.

You ARE irritating reasonably intelligent folks that happen to agree with you.

My last post on this thread.

 

Cholly Mac - greatest LSU coach of all time IMHO

he would have won everything in the SEC many times over it not for Bear Bryant.

My childhood memories of CM are fond ones.

HUGE Fan or CM here. ldskule:

I still have newspaper clippings of his interviews talking about Charles Alexander and other players, he was passionate about football and he Loved LSU.

John you are not an LSU fan to bring some BS like this up son.

 

that is your assumption.

again, this has only to do with your agenda of wanting to bash people who disagree with you, and nothing more. this is another of your "look at me, im a better fan than everyone else" rants.

but this time you are using the memory of a man that means a lot to lsu fans in your own little personal agenda/attacks. that is, imo, disgraceful.

 

If I'm not changing minds or opinions, then what are you so worried about with me being "tenacious" with my "sound logic?" In real life, the "high ground" to me is that I don't care if you are an LSU fan or not. But on an LSU site, I expect LSU fans to be happy to be an LSU fan. If you're not, then go find some other hobby that makes you happy. It is comparable to some miserable church-lady whining about how unhappy she is to be part of her church.