Hillary's E-Mail (Breaking News: Smoking Gun Officially Announced)

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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Like, SIPRNeT isn't even accessible from public net. Either HER, or someone on HER STAFF, took the info off SIPRNeT and sent it to her server.

    Its fucking serious. People have lost their jobs in my old shop for far less. Simply leaving the safe open in the vault has gotten peoples clearances removed.

    I worked in this stuff for the Air Force and all the DOD regulations are the same. You cannot just get this type of information easily. Just imagine a number of key-coded doors just to get near the room.
     
  2. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    This isn't even one of the laws she is being accused of breaking, Pride. So to help you out....here we go. Hillary has been accused by Republicans of breaking four laws: The Federal Records Act, The Freedom of Information Act, the National Archives and Records Administration and Section 1924 of Title 18. Let's take it one by one pal.....

    The Federal Records Act - this law requires government officials to use a personal e-mail as long as the e-mails can be preserved for history. In 2014, after Clinton resigned as SOS the law was amended to change this. Again, she is dancing all over the spirit of the law here but by the letter of the law she did nothing illegal.

    The Freedom of Information Act - this law ensures access to government records in a timely fashion. it is used mostly by journalists. HRC has been accused of breaking this law by not turning over all of her records to the State Department for retention and therefore could not be accessed by the public. But since there were no requests for those records until the Benghazi Committee requested them, she hasn't actually violated this law since she turned over her e-mails and server to the Committee.

    The National Archives - this is where all government records eventually end up. Again, the National Archives have updated their requirements since HRC left office to include explicit guidance for using personal emails. John Kerry is actually the first SOS to use a government email exclusively and much of that has to do with the updates to the laws in question.

    Section 1924 of Title 18 - this statute makes it illegal for anyone to store classified information in an unauthorized way. Since HRC deleted some of the emails that she claims were private in nature, we will never be able to say with 100% certainty whether she did or did not. Again, she is on the edge of the law but has not broken any laws.
     
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    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Your bang is more like a whimper....did you even read the statute that he cited?
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    Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or

    well here it is...in order for this statute to be applicable HRC would have had to engage in espionage. Nice try, but Pride's internet searches are not going to save you. I've laid out the four laws that she has been accused of breaking and stated why they do not apply to her.
     
  4. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    No, the statute you quoted as your source relates to instances of espionage where a government official is sharing classified materials with other countries....it is actually not even closely related to this case.
     
  5. LSUpride123

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    No I actually went to school for it and held a TS. I know more about it than you and most of the retards on TV. My job was to enforce the DOD regulations and ensure that these type of things did not happen at our unit.
     
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    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Pride, enforcing the DOD regulations at your unit is irrelevant to this and not even in the same league. All you've really done is name yourself as an expert in the absence of true expert opinion on this.
     
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    Then you should do your research. Telling me no. ALL INFORMATION HAS A CLASSIFICATION.

    Do you know what the SIPRNeT is? Put it to you this way, the NIPRNeT is for unclassified work.

    Its not illegal WHEN in the information is shared, it is illegal the moment you put the information in a space that ALLOWS it to be shared.
     
  8. LSUpride123

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    Like I said, if you knew about the network and how she got the information from you would see why you are wrong.
     
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    I understand what you're saying but the link that was posted to the SIPRNeT statute doesn't say that.
     
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    She would not have to be "engaged in espionage" for there to be a violation of the statute. By merely being careless in the handling of classified information in a manner that created to possibility of being hacked by anybody she broke the law. A crime by ommision rather than a crime of commission. As SOS she had an explicit responsibility to safeguard such materials. She failed in that duty miserably. Book her, Dano! Stupidity One.
     
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