Health Care Reform - FAIL

It appears Tiger in NC and red watch FOX News more than us. I can't even begin to tell you what any network, radio program, or publication currently has to say. I've been so busy since October and have watched only a few minutes of news since then. I don't think we need FOX or any other media's help to know Obama has been a monumental failure.

When I find time I'll do a little research. I also wasn't aware the Republicans have held the House and Senate for years. I thought Pelosi and Reid were Democrats....my bad. :lol:

On another note...why do some Obama supporters "claim" to be Independents? Are they embarrassed to admit they're Democrats?

 

Since you brought up Bachmann, here is her statement on healthcare on her website.

The reality is, Bachmann doesn't have a plan for anything, just a bunch of buzz words. I haven't seen much more from the republicans either. Just "repeal obamacare" over and over.

 

I didn't bring up Bachmann, I was responding to the statement that no Republicans have a plan. And I said you may not like it but it's out there. I'm not a Bachmann supporter and I don't drink anyone's cool aid. But there a lot of people posting on this thread whose lips are stained Donkey Piss yellow and they like to accuse others of seeing one side.

There are a lot of "plans" out there, some Dems some Repubs. Both sides have some good ideas and both sides have some stupid ideas. Obama care was never passed with the idea it was the end game. The Dems acknowledged changes to doctor payments would have to be made as they passed it. They didn't include them in the original bill because of sticker shock. I think that is dishonest - but that's just me.

But my original point was that the statement that 'no Republican has a plan on how to change health care' is an admission that you can only see one side. I stand by that.

 

What exactly has he done right?

Are you going to credit him for printing money, bailing out the rich, and extending war?

 

hmmmmm.....

My understanding was that the republican presidential nominees have not been vocal about any plans they have aside from repeal obamacare. Perhaps they silently support certain plans or whatever but in the debates, when it comes up, they have nothing to say. Truth is, the support the status quo while trying to clean up medicare etc. That is fool's gold. With the healthcare crisis we're in, it's very disappointing. And you obviously haven't read many of my posts if you think I can only see one side and that side is democratic. I call it like I see it and the GOP nominees have not given me any hope for a better healthcare system. The status quo is just slightly better than obamacare in my opinion.

 

First, I stand corrected on the congress. You are right and, in my haste, I misspoke. Second, I apologize for lumping you in with the rest of the fox news crowd. Having said that, I stand behind my post.

Obama has had his share of misstakes and I have been critical of him for them but there is no denying that the economy has stabilized and started showing signs of life during his time in office. Is this all due to Obama's policies? No, of course not, but the administration has done a respectable job of managing the crisis IMO. By most reasonable analysts estimation, it takes from 5-10 years for an economy to recover from the situation in which we found ourselves. As we stand now, and barring interruption from Europe, we are on pace to land closer to five years rather than ten.

I understand the frustration with Obama. I am a small business owner and consumer confidence has been a big fat ZERO for a long time. I am lucky that I have been a prudent saver and have been able to weather the storm but I am starting to see signs of life and I have to be encouraged by that.

My frustration with the Republicans is that there is a sizeable number of their caucus that simply want the President to fail, regardless of where it leaves the country. I respect differences of opinion and I enjoy a good old political debate but there comes a time to set aside petty differences and to move forward in a spirit of bipartisanship for the good of the country. By the way, there was a sizeable portion of the Democrats who I said the same thing about during GWB administration. I never was a fan of GWB but I never wished him to fail.

 

You are right, I do watch fox news as well as msnbc and cnn. Frankly it is the only way to decipher the truth these days. News isn't news anymore, it's all editorial and in order to arrive at some truth, you have to be aware of what is going on from all angles. What about you? Do you actually take the time to listen to positions that are not your own?

I have admitted my error about the 2008 congress....it happens. That said, the Republicans held congress for 6 years during GWB and the senate for four years. This hardly equates to Democratic control.

You know, I have been an independent for a long time. I voted for George Sr. over slick Willie, Slick Willie over Dole, GWB over Gore, GWB over Kerry and Obama over McCain. By my count that is 3-2 in favor of the Repubs. The problem is that todays Republican party have moved so far to the right that you now think that Independents are bleeding heart liberals. I genuinely wish the Republicans would move back into the mainstream so we can have a real debate abotu how to move forward.

 

This is a good post, I agree with a lot of what you said. The first paragraph I'm in total agreement with. I may have hit back a little hard on the mistake but it was a hanging curve ball in the middle of the plate and I couldn't resist.

With respect to the Republican party and the hard right I would agree but also add that the same is true on the other side. Both sides spend to much time sucking up to their base because that's where they get their money. And money is one of the things screwing up how things work. We have way to much money involved in politics. Between campaigns and lobbies it's totally out of control. Since the people getting the money are the only ones who can pass rules to fix it, it doesn't look good for reform.

 

Thanks and no worries. Hey, this is a political forum and if you can't take a good lick now and then, especially when you "hang the curve ball" then you need to look elsewhere.

I think you and I are probably a lot closer to being on the same page than I originally thought. The money IS the big issue. PAC's and Super PAC's have only exacerbated the problem. Since he has been out of prison Jack Abramoff has been revealing how a lot of this works. Don't know if you've listened much to Buddy Roemer, former Gov. of LA and current Presidential candidate, but he's been on point about how money influences, no, dictates our current politics.