It's a start.:thumb: Dems care deeply for about 7.5 million Americans; the same number that belong to Public Unions.
He dropped them because not all of the Democrats in congress are as liberal as him. They (O-Pelos-a-Ried) weren't bribing Republicans for votes; they had to buy their own people. Really RED, these people spread the bull crap right out in front of you, and then you just graze on it. And you call me naive?
Red is correct that Obama spent a great deal of time trying to include Republicans in the process but, by and large, the Republicans had no interest in making a contribution to the discussion. Still, the legislation you call Obamacare, is essentially the plan put forward by the majoriry of Republican candidates during the 2008 Republican primaries. No one wants to admit this now because Mitch McConnell made it clear that the Republicans number one priority was to ensure Obama is a one term President. In order to accomplish their goal the Republicans are now flip flopping on things that they once championed (i.e. tax cuts for the middle class) just to try and make Obama look bad. Further, to suggest that Healthcare needed no reform is an absurdity that is hard to even fathom. Seeing that healthcare constitutes 18% of the entire economy, I do not see how we could begin to address our overall economic woes without addressing this issue first. Saying that the status quo is okay is further indication that the Republican's, and particularly the 80 freshman tea party congress persons, are willing to discredit and shame this President at the peril of the entire country.
This president and administration need absolutely no assistance when it comes to shame or sending the country down a perilous path! They will go into full attack mode and blame EVERYTHING on the Republicans. I can't blame them as Obama has given them NOTHING to use to support a second term. WORST EVER!...and by a wide margin.
Under this President's leadership we've managed almost two straight years of positive job gains after the worse financial collapse since the Great Depression, the housing market is starting to gain some traction, markets are stabilized and, as we speak, our biggest threat is one that is beyond our control - Europe. Are things where anyone would like them? Of course not! That said, tell me what John McCain would have or could have done differently that would make our economic situation better? Because what he proposed to do was more of the same crap that got us into this mess. I am not completely blaming Republicans because Democrats share responsibility also, but please don't act like it was peaches and cream until Obama took office because that is simply not true.
Was it peaches and cream?...absolutely not! Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Schumer, Boxer, Clinton, Kerry, and many others made sure things were headed in the wrong direction long before Obama took office. Of course he didn't help as Senator sitting around voting "Present" on every issue. The previous Congress was by far the worst in history and should accept most of the blame for our situation. Obama came in with NO plan, NO experience, NO intent on compromise and proceeded to attempt to spend his way of of debt. Now we'll be paying for another few generations. This is the Chosen One. This is the guy who claimed the entire problem was Bush. This is the guy who said he could fix all the problems if he were elected. Now he's in office and it's always the same line...BLAME, BLAME, BLAME. Some may like his foreign policy and stance on energy but I don't like the fact gas has doubled and we're wasting billions on corporations (you know...the EVIL 1%ers) like Solyndra and getting no benefits. Have you checked gas prices this week? They've increased 20 cents per gallon. I guess we can blame Bush for that too. Regarding McCain...I didn't like him either. I don't know if we'll ever have another quality candidate run for President. We haven't had a good choice since Reagan. Bush may have screwed up but would we even remain a country had Gore or Kerry been elected? If the Democrats truly cared for this country they would nominate someone other than Obama. When your top accomplishment is making Carter look like a better alternative...it's time to go!
You and RED accuse people of spouting Fox talking points and then you post stuff that looks like it was written by Axelrod. Again, it is absurd to say that health care didn't need to change; that's why no serious person ever said it. It's absurd of you to even suggest that it's true. Just because someone disagrees with the anointed one doesn't mean they like things the way they are. It just means they want to go another way. Were you on drugs in 2009, did you pay attention. Obama was to busy blaming Republicans for the Chicago fire of 1871, the Galveston hurricane of 1900 and the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. The dems were full speed ahead until they went home during the summer and caught hell in town hall meetings. Remember the little thing called the Tea Party. THEN the Dems wanted to include Repubs to spread the blame. It wasn't until their reelection chances started going South that they cared about "inclusion".
Let me give you a quick history lesson because it appears you are drinking the fox news kool-aid. When GWB took office we had a budget surplus - FACT. GWB wants a tax cut to balance the budget surplus so he gets it. 9/11 happens and GWB and the Republican congress ask us to go shopping. Next GWB completely changes the focus off of the people who attacked us and invades Iraq under the premise that they had weopens of mass destruction, which they didn't. Now fast forward to the 2004 elections. GWB and the Republican congress pass Medicare part triple Z, or whatever, to ensure GWB gets another four years. By 2007 the economy has gone from a budget surplus to the verge of collapse. GWB and the Republican congress pass TARP, a reckless handout with zero accountability. You cannot dispute that this is the chain of events that led to the 2008 collapse. I know that the facts are not convenient for the narrative that the GOP is trying to spin but they are still the facts. I have nothing against the Republican party, I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats. That said, the Republican party isn't what it used to be. Since the Republican congress took over in 2010 under the promise of jobs, jobs, jobs, what we have gotten instead are attempts to ban Sharia law, English as an official language, attempts to amend the consititution to ban gay marraige and islamophobia. Where are the jobs legislation that they promised? On the price of Gas, it was too high long before Obama took office. You really should get your facts straight before posting something filled with hyperbole and talking points you've taken from your friends at fair and balanced fox news. For the record I am an independent voter who has voted for both parties in elections for the past 20 years. The Republican party isn't what it used to be and until it returns to a sane place they will not be considered by reasonable people.
Please see my post to Purple Tiger as I think it addresses just about everything you have included in your post. And for the record, I know exactly what was going on in 2009, sounds like you need a refresher.....read my post where I provide a more accurate time line of events. Further, I do not think the dems are blameless and I made that clear in my first post.
Thanks for the history lesson. Appreciate your grasp of the facts. By the who is the history teacher that taught you that the Republicans controlled congress in 2008.:insane::insane: 1)TARP was a GWB administration idea but it was passed by a Democrat congress. Pelosi became speaker in 2007 and when she stood in front of the cameras and bragged about passing TARP she was very proud that they only had to increase the $700 billion dollar bill to a $900 bill to get it passed. I don't think it ended up costing us anything close to that but its interesting that she thought that was a good thing. 2)I agree with most of your first paragraph - but you left a lot of things out. Fannie and Freddie come to mind. 3)If you didn't like TARP as a "reckless hand out with no accountability", and I didn't either, then you must really hate some of the stuff passed in the first two years of this administration. And that really was one party government. I really am an independent. I actually voted for Obama in the Democratic primary in Texas because my daughters were working on his campaign. But I didn't vote for him for President because he was saying he was something new but surrounding himself with the same old same old. RED said in an above post that Obama was a great manager. I'm not sure what that means but I'm sure Obama doesn't have what it takes to lead this country. Again, you guys are cracking me up with the 'Fox News' line. If you want to accuse someone of getting their information from one source don't come on here and blame the "2008 Republican Congress" of passing a bill. And then you want to give me a history lesson? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
