Everyone agrees we needed to change health care. The Dem leadership looked around and said we got the Pres, we got the House, we got the Senate; we can do what ever we want. "Republicans, We don't need no stinking Republicans." Obama said it himself, "We won". They never seriously engaged the other side other than to say 'this is what we are doing - want to sign on'. The whole exercise was about a power grab. Lets take control of health care why we have the votes and worry about what we will do with it later.
You notice they didn't fix any problems when they had total control and didn't even pass a budget because they knew the American public didn't like their ideology. Now their only options are to spend money without regard to the consequences and to blame the Republicans. Even Jimmy Carter would be an upgrade. Regarding Health Care...my premiums inched up a little for the past 20 years but have skyrocketed over the past two years. Thanks Obama! Buying votes is costing me a lot of money.
Now that is BS. Obama stretched the thing out for a year and made concession after concession to get republican support. It did not turn into Medicare-for-all. Government insurance went out the window early. The single-payer plan was given up, too. Profit-run heath-care systems were entrenched into the program. Obama added Republican proposals to eliminate medical fraud and reform medical malpractice liability. The GOP demanded all these concessions and got them, but in the end, they demonstrated that their motives were purely political when only one republican voted for the plan.
I don't think so. This is the GOP's greatest weakness in my opinion. I haven't seen a single one put out a plan. They just keep saying "repeal obamacare" with Bachmann leading the charge. I also think it's funny that they act like they can just cancel the whole thing with a signature if they get into office. Crazy.
Speaking of BS!! He didn't stretch it out for a year to get Republican support. What a crock!! He wasn't even running the show - the congressional democratic leadership was. It took them a year to figure out how to buy their own peoples votes. Respectfully RED, you and I have had this discussion before. You see Obama as a great leader; and I see leadership as his biggest deficit. And I think the Health Care legislative train wreck was a prime example of what he's missing.
I've never said that Obama is a great leader, I've said that he is a great manager. What I object to is the ridiculous hyperbole coming from the far right . . . that everything he does is wrong. He's done a far better job that you are willing to give him credit for. But some around here just make things up to demonize Obama and I feel compelled to shoot it down. Most admit that they listen to no "liberal" media, but absolutely believe every negative thing said on talk radio or FOX and never bother to check as to the truth of the matter. Well, I do.
Repubs actually put out a draft plan in the summer of 2009 about a week before the Dems plan was to be first released. I don't remember the details but it included insurance pools and tax credits and such. Saw it one night on one of the big 3 networks so it must have had something in it. And I bet I could spend 5 minutes on Google and find many other health plans out there. Yep, Mobius. Looks like you may have missed the call on this one. Even Bachmann has a plan. You may not like it, but it is out there. Come on, do you really believe the crap about only Dems care; only Dems have solutions; only Dems love the American people?
You must have me confused with the guy that signed off the board the other day. If you go back and look at that long discussion we had I did give Obama credit for things that I think he got right. With respect to checking the truth of statements. Your statement that Obama stretched out the Health Care debate just to give Republicans a chance to get on board is complete fantasy. In the Summer of 09 his attitude towards Republicans was complete disdain. Which is OK, but it's 180 degrees from what he campaigned on.
That is remarkably naive. Do you really think that Obama dropped all of those liberal plans and added republican plans to the bill and it was not concessions to the republicans? :huh:
