Happy Birthday Thomas Jefferson

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  1. Rwilliams

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    Industries fear the EPA and the enviromentalist impact on regulation. This is a major reason many petrochemical plants have either moved their operation overseas or refuse to upgrade their plants here.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The government is us. We must elect more practical, responsible people and fewer ideological people that want something for nothing.
     
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    People that want something for nothing. That rules out about half of the democratic voters.
     
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    They have no plans or intentions of doing this. The factories will never come back until India and China pay salaries like we do in America. That will take 100 years or more.

    If we don't protect our industrial base, as other nations do, we will lose a future war of attrition. Enterprise is so free here that it is allowed to operate in a mode that endangers American security and prosperity. A small number of major corporations and billionaires widen the wealth gap while the rest of us suffer a slow decline in standard of living.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    And about almost all of the republicans who want to cut $billions in taxes but won't cut enough entitlement programs to cover the loss of income.
     
  6. LSUpride123

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    So business can never expand? We cannot create an environment that welcomes new plants/factories?

    So basically we are doomed..


    2012:cry:
     
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    Just about every industry lost in America was unionized. The pension plans and the such crippled the ability of these industries to compete.
     
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    The reality is that labor costs will always be lower overseas. Factories will only come back if they are largely robotic, which produces only a few tech jobs, not a lot of blue collar jobs.

    The doom is that we cannot maintain the kind of industrial base of the WWII era. In the pre-computer era, people with high-school educations and ambition could find decent factory jobs and construction jobs that paid good money and they could buy houses and live prosperously.

    Now, those high-paying blue-collar jobs are gone. As always there is good money if you have a knowledge job and college degrees. As always there are poor paying service jobs for high school dropouts and teenagers. But those good-paying jobs for high school grads are drying up. Meanwhile our schools are turning out less qualified pupils that are not ready for college. So high school grads end up in low-paid service jobs flipping burgers, and selling shoes at JC Penney.

    As the highly educated, highly motivated, and successful baby boomers retire and leave the economy, the less educated, highly cynical, less numerous Gen X-ers may be unable to fill the knowledge job vacancies. That is when America will be in trouble economically . . . if we cannot maintain our technology, media, and aerospace lead.
     
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    I disagree on all points.

    If a highly skilled, highly motivated college grad gets a job flipping burgers, it is safe to say they are in fact not highly skilled nor highly motivated.

    There are plenty of industries that could create jobs here yet we have such retarded government restrictions, AKA oil & gas.

    What I think people have to understand that there are resources here in the US for us to create good jobs for people here and be dependent on none.

    Government regulations, taxes and unions push jobs out.
     
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    We can re- energize the U. S. oil industry. First you open all federal waters to offshore drilling. You open federal lands out west to gas fracing. Tell the industry that no taxes will be levied on any oil or gas produced in the USA. Tax breaks can be given for new refineries and gas plants to be built near the new oil and gas fields. Invest in ways to capture carbon so we can exploit our massive coal deposits. All this money on wind is nearly useless compared to the huge coal deposits we could exploit with a little tax free upgrades in polution control. All this could bring hundreds of thousands of jobs and reduce out dependence on middle east oil. We could build new reactors at every existing nuclear plant also. We could do an Apollo style investment in the fossil fuels we have here. There is millions of barrels of oil trapped in sand and rock out west that we could be exploiting like Canada has their deposits. What we have holding us back from hundreds of thousands of jobs and whole new industries in carbon entrapment and gas frac technology is democrats and the enviromentalist tree hugging fairies that believe that we can adjust the worlds theromostat. The earth has had hundreds if not thousands of ice ages and hot times where there were forest on antartica. We could have a rebirth out west of oil and gas production and refining. If only the nuts that believe we can run our country on rainbow dust and unicorn milk would get their azz out the way and let American industry reinvent energy production in America.
    Now mr. Liberal toothfairy fire away with your windmill powered solar deathray. I'm waiting. :angry::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
     

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