Guilbeau rips Les and, for once, I agree

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  1. gynojunkie

    gynojunkie "Pooties R Us"

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    +1. I tried, but there was nothing!
     
  2. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    Tigerfan.... with all due respect, again the reason for our poor yardage, and performance was the pathetic playbook that LSU runs! Of course we didn't have many yards in the first 8 games, we started every drive from the 50 yrd line! To boot, our offensive playbook never changed! Run, run, run, occasional down field pass, and that stupid we screen!

    This offense had a lot of potential at first. Even with jj, it held more potential than was shown!

    Monday night was all clm! ... w a few contributions from jj.
     
  3. Tiger_fan

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    considering the talent we have on offense, our offense should have done much better. we only got to run 62.1 offensive plays per game (870 plays in 14 games), and that would put us in the bottom of the NCAA in offensive plays we got to run per game, so that makes our #86 offense look better than it is. If you look at yards per play, LSU's offense was #50 in the NCAA with 5.71 yards per play, while Bama and Arkansas were #12 and #14 in the NCAA with 6.46 and 6.45 yards per play. With the talent we have, I'd hope that our offense could be up there in the top 25 of the NCAA like Bama and Arkansas, instead of in the middle of the pack like we were.

    as for how it breaks down between the first 8 games and the last 6 games, our offense was better during the last 6, despite playing 3 of 6 of those games against Bama's #1 D and Georgia's #5 D...
    first 8 games -- 2977 yards on 528 plays (5.63 yards per play)
    last 6 games -- 1994 yards on 342 plays (5.83 yards per play)
     
  4. valve

    valve Veteran Member

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    I have to work in Alabama and I do not have anyone with any sympathy they are happy that LSU has Les Miles. I see the same pattern from him when JaMarkus Russel was here and everyone blamed the OC. The head coach is were the buck stops. If the offense is pathetic then it is his fault, If the quarterback lacks skill and have not learned to run more than a couple of plays it is his fault.

    Some things I have heard here lately. I heard that the team hasn't returned some pankster painted a 50 yard line on the interstate. Did you watch the ball game last night? They say that the last time a tiger got beat that bad . . . his wife was holding a five iron.
     
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  5. Jean Lafitte

    Jean Lafitte The Old Guard

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    I have turned on Miles. I don't trust him to do anything other than win with talent. He should be a high school football coach, because the players love him, and, it's clear that he is no football genius with regard to Xs and Os.

    I'm not going to endlessly bash Miles because he's the LSU coach and I love LSU. I don't think he's very bright. He has NEVER been an Offensive Coordinator or Defensive Coordinator at any level. He played as an Offensive Lineman, but clearly is not Offensive Coaching guru. I'm not sure that he knows much about Offense at all.
     
  6. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    Half those yards came from WKU and Ol Miss. [932 yards]

    In the 4 games against Bama, AR, GA, and Bama again ... we only put up 1062 yards in those four games. That's about an average of 260 yards of offense per game. Our average was 354 per game overall, and that's with being ranked 106th in the passing game. [dropping to 106th btw, from in the 90s with Lee at the helm]

    In the top ranked games of the first 8, [all minus NW, KY, and TN], we averaged 381 yards per game. In just the first 4 games only, when JJ was still out, we averaged 365 yrds per game. in the last 4 games, which includes ol miss, the average drops to 335.

    Suffice it to say ... we were more productive when Lee was starting and JJ was changing the pace. When JJ became the default only QB, performance went down because CLM becomes too one dimensional with JJ.

    When bama had to game plan for Lee, and JJ comming in, we racked up 239 yards. When bama had to game plan for just JJ .. we got all of 92.

    I don't dispute that our offense is packed with Talent ..but like I said on another thread ... CLM is a CLUTZ when it comes to offense. He obviously knows nothing about it. We beat some great defenses with his approach, but mostly because we wore them down over time, and prevented them from scoring with a fantastic defense. Contrast that to what Bama did last Monday ... they scored consistently through the game, primarily on the back of McCarron's short passing game. It wasn't until the LSU defense was gassed, and probably giving up that TR was able to score a TD in the 4th quarter. Saban was smarter than CLM .. he realized that he could not score using the typical ground and pound against an LSU defense ... so he did the smart thing ... he IMPROVISED!! .......

    ... a word that apparently CLM has no clue of the meaning!
     
  7. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    Come on, Jean Lafitte, he's forgotten more about football than you and Bobby Hebert combined.

    He didn't get where he is in this profession by being a bumbling idiot.
     
  8. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    Stacey .. .I"m wiht Jean ....

    CLM is no offensive genius. If not for Chavis, who is a Defensive Genius, LSU would not have the record that it has .

    All season long ... everyone has been asking when CLM was going to open up the playbook. Apparently .. it was open. .. all the way. .. and it's pretty shallow.
     
  9. Tiger_fan

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    sad to hear you have turned on Miles. if i had no faith in the LSU head coach, i'd quit watching LSU football. what's the point of watching a team with a coach i have no faith in? i have much better things to do with my time and my life

    he's got a degree in economics from Michigan (currently the #12 school in the US for economics), so he can't be that dumb -- unless you think they just gave it to him because he was a third-string left guard for Michigan's 1975 team.

    he was OC of Oklahoma State for 3 years, and in his 3rd year, the Oklahoma State offense scored 332 points, the third-most in OSU history. Les did so well as OC of Oklahoma State that he got hired away by Jerry Jones to be on his offensive coaching staff at the Cowboys where he served 3 years before Oklahoma State hired him back as their head coach

    that said, I agree he is no offensive guru. Les' 3 years experience as an OC doesn't even compare to some members of his own staff (Stu has been an OC for 11 years, Krag has been an OC for 7 years, Ensminger has been an OC for 11 years, etc)
     
  10. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    I don't like what happened Monday, but I liked the season a whole bunch. The same staff coached the season that coached Monday.

    For the record, I'd like to see a more dominant offense, but they improved TONS over the past few years this year. #86 in total offense, but (what) #12 in scoring. That's very efficient.

    And it's a team, anyway--not an offense and a defense and a special teams unit--but a TEAM. We're laying everything on the offense Monday (and make no mistake, they sucked), but nothing else was sharp enough, either. On defense, we let McCarron eat us alive with his passing; how many 3 and outs (even early in the game) did we force? On special teams, we gave up more return yards than we had all year. After a while, Wing wasn't even punting well (I suspect his leg was sore from punting so much.) For that matter, I think Bama won the contest on running out of the tunnel, too!
     

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