um did you miss the "hopefully clean" part? can't throw an admitted user in that group. I'm still here. I wanted Manny to be clean (always had my doubts about Papi), but always knew it was possible/probable he wasn't. Serve up the crow, I can handle it.
nah, as a baseball fan it sucks either one are liars and cheats. a seemingly pure moment in sports where they finally overcame is tainted. all the afflecks and the 20,000 mexicans last year with sox hats at the astros series are the idiots im referring. and anyone with a bahstun accent.
Everyone juiced. I hate it when i hear people say that their World Series wins were tainted, and the greatest comeback of all time was tainted. Ok the whole league was on the ****. I love the Sox and i am actually for the use of steroids. I was listening to some guy the other day talk about the hall of fame, and how everyone in this era who put up the numbers should be in the hall, and he made a great argument. Every era of baseball is different. Babe Ruth and all of the older players before Jackie Robinson, had an unfair advantage because they didn't have to play against black talent. Also, the Neikro's always found ways to cheat, and they are in the Hall, well Phil is anyway. You have to gauge talent based on the level of talent they played against. Everyone was on the juice. So there you go.
its still tainted no matter how you spin it. dudes knew they were cheating the game which is why they deny it even in the face of scientific evidence. everyone involved in baseball knows its tainted. to what extent everyone on the juice, no one knows. it was rampant but to claim maddux and others who've never had a hint of accusation should not be lumped in with the cheats. those deserving should probably go in the hall. just maybe in a separate wing along with pete rose. after all, its just a museum which represents each era of baseball. how can you leave out the all time hits leader along with the best right handed pitcher. or the homerun leader. oh and ive been a proponent for steroids since it ever became an issue in sports during my lifetime. they get a bad rap. once we get over the stigma purported by the media and uninformed parents, we will have generations of super healthy people taking steroids and hgh and whatever else. half our 80 yr olds will be all ripped up looking like jack lalanne.
I hate this argument. If all of the greatest minority pitchers of all time played in Ruth's day, maybe it would have slowed him down. But I doubt there have been enough great pitchers period (let alone narrowing it down to great minority pitchers) in any one period at a time that would have stopped him.has been any one era with enough great pitchers at one time that would have made a serious impact on his numbers. Could someone like Josh Gibson have possibly kept up with him offensively? If the myths around him are close to true, then maybe so. let me re-phrase that one. instead of going after guys that actually DID something on the juice, the yankees signed guy like Justice, Canseco, Knobloch, etc.
i am not saying they wouldn't have still made the hall, all i am saying is that they had an advantage. You have to gauge a person's career based on the level of talent they played against. Do you think babe ruth's fat ass would have pounded 700 plus homers if he had been born in the 60's or 70's?
if it was such an advantage, how come no one else from that time is within 175 HR of Babe's total? surely if it were easier to do it back then, SOMEBODY would have least half-assed kept up with him. he may have pounded even more than that. right center in Yankee Stadium was 429 most of his career, then 407 at the end. Now it's only 385. Dead Center was 490, now its 408. How many deep fly balls fell short of those walls, but would have cleared the shorter ones of today? then look at the rules changes. in the early 30's fair/fouls was determined by where the ball landed instead of where it crossed the fence. And any ball hitting the pole was in play rather than a homer. How many of Ruth's flyballs would be affected by this rule? No way to tell, but probably safe to assume at least some of them would be homers by today's rules. Everyone is pissing on themselves over the HR Prince Fielder hit to CF yesterday in Milwaukee. Smashed way above CF wall. Estimated at 465ft. That's damn near 30 ft shorter than need to leave the yard Ruth played in. Do you think today's roiders could have reached the fences Ruth swung at? Judging by distances they're reaching today, some could do it, butnot too many guys would sniff 20 hrs a year, let alone Babe's numbers can't believe i'm defending yankees in this thread. i'm going throw up now.
