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Tap, the Identity we had last couple years..........by substitution (Gave away as to what we were going to do with the incoming personnel), by formation, by down and distance, etc. Throw a play out there, no rhyme or reason. See what works.

Talent won many of the games, that along with coaching (Technique). There was one game last year, a good base game plan was used. I know it always comes to this, we lost 3 games last year by a total of 13 pts.

This offense won't take much to get moving with the right coaching, we have that coaching in place.

 

"Offensive identity" is one of those phrases that needs to be sidelined. I'm at a loss for words to suggest a replacement. In a very weak attempt at an analogy, it's about like the Supreme Court talking about porn a decade or so ago; you know it when you see it.

If knowing what a team wants to do is identity, how do you describe the difference between knowing the intent and then seeing it being done?

I'm going to use the term "issues." It's one of a series of questions I have about teams across the SEC landscape.

When I look at 2013's LSU offense using the results of 2012 as a base line I to see three losses by a total of 13 points. However, I also see three wins that were by a total of nine points. Two of those three were on the road which brings in this question—which I wonder if it'll continue to be an issue.

I look at the average number of points scored on the road (@ 16) last year and wonder how much improved production will be seen.

Pro-set, power run, play action pass: three staples of a pro-style offense. Those are the identifying characteristics of the LSU offense. Yet, we're still left with a lot of unanswered questions about "what" we'll see in the fall.

 

There is a fine line on doing something and not being able to do it, just like what you said about the three wins. Everyone knew this guy was getting the ball in this game, but no one could stop it...



When Wendell Davis was playing for LSU, everyone knew he was getting the ball, but no one could stop it.

Bill Arnsparger was once ask by a reporter, "Every time y'all line up with a split backfield, you pass and when you line up in the I, you run." Bills reply, "No one has stopped us yet."

Thats the fine line...

I know this, we have an OC that knows what he wants to do, stretch the field. Create mismatches, don't allow a defense to dictate what you do. Go back and look at last year, teams would cheat up to the line, stack the box, why not, look at the pass patterns, formations, player substitutions, etc. Too easy.

LSU will use much of what you call the three staples, but Cam will also use the things to find a weakness in a defense. He will not limit as to what he does.

Much of the talk was on the Cam firing, the word was, he didn't use Ray Rice enough. The next two games after he was let go, the leading rusher was Bernard Pierce. Pierce led in rushing 2 of the last 4 games in the postseason run. Cam got offers once he was let go, Les got a steal, this is along the hire of Chief.

Enjoyed your post...

Enjoy the season...

 

Dad, you nailed our offensive "identity" last. You could define it I guess as "we don't have one". Predictable, incoherent, I could go on and on.

It's very difficult to predict the future but I'll give it a WAG.

Our offensive "identity" will be the Norv Turner version of the "Air Coryell" offense. That offense features a power running game along with a vertical passing attack. Running backs and tight ends are also involved in the passing game. There's much more to it but that's the crux of it. We will also feature a "hurry up" style which inhibits teams from calling those intricate defensive sets and blitzes. I also saw them in the spring practice running "counter plays" which I like because it makes the defender at least shift his weight or oven just stand on both legs, which helps the blockers. Ah, but I run on.

Actually this isn't much of a WAG since, if you have been paying attention, there are lots of clues out there. Here is an article our gump friends may enjoy (or maybe not).

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/20...ir-coryell-cam-cameron-the-lsu-offense-part-2

Add to all that our offensive line. I think our offensive line this season is going to be very good and I mean very good. Last year's O line was a mess, especially till the latter part of the season. Injuries, moving people around, then more injuries, etc.. This year with the exception of Porter all started at least most of last season and are talented and huge.

Defenses are going to have to cover deep, safeties are going to have to cover, linebackers are going to have to cover and all are going to have to run and run and run. No more sitting in the "box".

I expect we will start simple at first, then step it up as the season progresses.

Really looking forward to next season.

 

Dudley, great post. You see a lot of what I'm talking about. Thats what I tell people, read Cam's resume. I also talked with a few people/coached about the hire.

This tell's me a few things...

 

With a balanced offense, the one fear is to get into a pass happy mode. It's just hard to get back to the power run philosophy once you start chucking the football.

 

Far from it. You should know this. "Run Clock."

 

As a huge fan of football talk, how can anyone not enjoy reading that? It's nothing new, per se, but a good read!

From a defensive standpoint, it's all about recognition.

From an offensive standpoint, timing with play calling is imperative—moreso than a lot of offensive schemes. No one can deny slipping a back out of the backfield isn't new. However, when it's timed correctly it plus yardage almost every time.

The biggest thing I like is it's player against player in much of the sets—good, old fashioned football.

 

Agree Terry. The H-Back/F-Back/TE gets used well in this offense. Those guys need to enjoy this offense. DeSean Smith coming in has to feel good.

 

Just to add a thought here.

You know what kind of defense this type of approach kills? Ole Miss is a good example.

If you watch their cornerbacks you'll see them using a "back-pedaling" technique within the first 10-13 yards on a route. If you take one play, the post swing, you'll get 8-10 yards a pop as long as the receiver maintains his route up until the CB makes his hip turn to run.

As soon as those CB's try to adjust and maintain that "back-pedal" coverage for an additional five yards or so to keep the play in front of them the slot post kills them and all the time it's leaving the flat open for that back slipping out.

Solid scheme. Fundamental football is how it's defended...which leads me back to this.

How can a football fan not like it?

Geez...

I think of Tavor Johnson's (I think that's his name) secondary in Fayetteville? It's not difficult to find a play to watch and the R and L corners are playing two different techniques on the same play—one shuffling, the other back-pedaling. Then it's just pick your side to attack.

EDIT to add this thought as well:

Look at this scheme for a second...



You see the biggest key there? It's a three-level vertical stretch on the defense. IF it's ran correctly, it's practically impossible to defend.