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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Point 1: It's not a lie if you have/had bad intelligence.This isn't a hard concept..

    Obama lies, so whats your point?
     
    LSUpride123, May 13, 2012
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  2. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Way to obfuscate. Bristol was criticizing media hypocrisy with that observation, not Obama's flip flop. You're smart enough to be able to tell the difference.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, he either lied or he was incompetent. No third choice. They also had good intelligence which was ignored.

    Name one and we'll talk about it.
     
    red55, May 14, 2012
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  4. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Paraphrased, but...

    Lie: Passing ARRA will keep unemployment under 8 %.
    Lie: Healthcare reform will be revenue neutral.
    Lie: I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term.
    Lie: I will close Gitmo.
    Lie: We will come up with an equitable solution on the estate tax before current laws sunset.

    Lying or incompetent?
     
    LSUsupaFan, May 14, 2012
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  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Lie: As President I would not use Justice Department resources to try and circumvent state laws about medical marijuana
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    These are goals that he either did not reach or hasn't reached yet. It is not like lying about the existence of something that did not exist to lead a country to war. There is no case at all for lying. You might make a case for incompetence, but failing to meet lofty goals is more like an error of estimation.

    Regarding Gitmo, it is disingenuous of his critics to accuse him of lying. OBama changed his original plans by agreeing with Republicans that it was too soon to close Guantanamo. Whereupon the Republicans accuse him of lying. Typical.
     
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  7. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Using baseless projections as a selling point of major legislation is more than an error of estimation. I would say that Obama, just like his predecessor, is both a liar and incompetent.
     
    LSUsupaFan, May 14, 2012
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What made them baseless?
     
    red55, May 14, 2012
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  9. LSUDad

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    LSUDad, May 14, 2012
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  10. Cajun Sensation

    Cajun Sensation I'm kind of a big deal Staff Member

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    Yeah, I wonder what the deal is with this? I know a few people out in CA who are livid with the President for this reason. Wonder why he changed his stance on this?
     
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