No, you are obstinate. Look the Congress uses the term tax subsidies for these benefits to the oil industry. There is a bill right now in congress that I linked for you that uses the term in its title! Your contention that there is no such thing is ludicrous. Here . . . another clear definition for you. Tax subsidies
The use of inflamatory language in the title of a proposed bill doesn't change facts. It just shows the guy who introduced it doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground. Did you google "things that are completely biased, but support my position?" Do you take comfort in being wrong along with others?
Well, somebody doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground . . . I'm betting on you, not the Congressman. All the paranoids are out to get you, eh? Look, you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. I keep offering evidence and you keep offering rhetoric. Did you graduate from SabanFan U?
Red's Rules of Debate: I'm always right. If you challenge me I will ridicule your sources and call you names.
If a congressmen introduced a bill called the "End Financial Support of Terrorism Bill of 2011" which was aimed at making donations to the Nation of Islam illegal would that mean donations to the Nation of Islam were to support terrorism? I mean there is a bill that says they were. Ignoring the fact that your source is complete bs, which specific items that the author describes as subsidies can you tie to a particular tax provision related to an oil company? Interpret some of the drivel you link. I don't exactly know which pieces you think are relevant.
Dude, he's ridiculing MY sources. :lol: SabanFan's rules of debate: Fail to show up. Then heckle the participants from the peanut gallery.
I said I couldn't disagree with taking the subsidies away, but paying a company like GE however many billions in taxes they did is just as irresponsible. What a weak and hypocritical response to rising gas prices. I have zero love for big corporations, unfortunately they employ a lot of my family and friends (And most importantly me!). Eventually it will come to a point where these companies have no reason to stay, and they will take their taxes and jobs with them. I don't want to work in a f****** desert.[/quote] Not sure how the incompetence of Bush's administration has anything to do with us still be involved in both of his conflicts, or adding a third. I suppose that third conflict is okay, since he was in a tropical country while doing something he claimed illegal as a congressman not 4 years earlier? ("The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." - Senator Barack Obama, Dec. 20, 2007. ) You and Sabanfan's personalities on this forum make me laugh; you embody your political parties so well. He comes off as an old, angry, racist. You come off as an old "hippyish" guy that has convinced himself he is in the middle, and is an expert on all topics. He will blame anything and everything on Obama and the Dems. You will give all the credit in the world to Obama, because everything he does is either better than what Bush did, or his hand was forced because of what Bush left him. I couldn't think of a more fitting two to represent our current political parties. Surely you jest! All politicians do is deflect responsibility/blame for unpopular decisions. The latest is discussed in this very thread. The cause of the high prices? Nothing to do with shutting down the Gulf, or essentially shutting down drilling in Alaska, or the continued restrictions on land drilling, or the restrictions trying to be placed on oil from Canada....its the oil companies....lets cut their subsidies! My comment on "taking responsiblity" wasn't so much about the politicians; they won't ever. It was more at what point do you stop using Bush as the scapegoat, and Obama starts taking responsibility? It is a global economic crash after all, and as much as Bush's administration's policies had to do with it, at some point it moves into Obama's territory. I mean technically Bush isn't to blame for invading Iraq, I blame manifest destiny. He just got confused which brown people's country we were supposed to be invading.
What a non-response. Look, you say there is no such thing as a tax subsidy, so I show a bill from congress addressing tax subsidies. Case closed, you lose. You'll find those in H.R.601 - End Big Oil Tax Subsidies Act of 2011 Gilligan, the entire friggin' article is a definition of what tax subsidies are and how they work! It demolishes your notion that tax subsidies are imaginary. Here are some more. tax subsidy definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta Tax Subsidy - Definition of Tax Subsidy - QFINANCE You call this evidence drivel. Yet we've seen nothing to support your position from.
