"Because it raises the price of gasoline above what is reasonable as far as supply and demand is concerned" and who determines what is reasonable? the market, meaning the people buying and selling, or red? and how exactly does red determine what is "reasonable"? when the housing market was up, and people were buying houses as investments (literally speculating) did you go to realtors and kick the paperwork out of their hands because the prices were inflated? jesus, man, who do you think you are? people buy things, people sell things. why cant you just for once leave other people alone? is everything on earth your concern? if i have a barrel of oil, and i try to sell it will you come over and punch me in the face if i sell it for more than what you determine is reasonable? you need to stop thinking of yourself as the king of the universe.
Stop trying to make it into "Red" determining something just because you can't argue your own point. It is very simple and I'll use small words. The fact is that gas prices are rising even though demand is down. Look it up for once. Read the expert analysis of the prices, there are a bunch out there. This price run-up is not about market-based supply and demand it is based on fears and speculation about the oil futures. I'm someone discussing the topic logically and you are just being a jerk. I'd like to punch you in the face for another reason. Look, you kook, we're trying to have a oil price discussion here and you are raving under the delusion that I'm somehow menacing other people and trying to control the earth. Are you on drugs? You need to seek professional help.
clearly demand isnt down if prices are going up. yunno speculators count as part of the market. again, when the housing market was booming, much of it was driven by people willing to pay more than they should have, because they beleived the value of the house would go up. they were wrong, and too bad for them, but so what? the prices were what they were and required no external manipulation. and this is s problem why? because little precious red wants his cheap oil? i am trying to teach you that the markets do not need your intervention, that there no no "better" or "worse" prices. high prices are good for sellers and bad for buyers. so be it. no need to ever say "prices are too high or too low!" because prices simply are what they are and that is between the buyer and the seller only. if someone is selling something, and it isnt worth it to you, then you are free to not buy it. and thats the end of it. you have no right to manipulate the price in any way. this is the fundamental thing about capitalism and free markets. if you dont understand this point, then you are on the road to ruination. i understand that speculators purchase oil futures. maybe for profit, or maybe to protect themselves against fluctuation, like the airlines do. i know for sure that airlines invest in fuel futures and it smooths out the ticket prices. sometimes they even profit. and thats fine, there is nothing wrong with that. and the oil sellers and refineries, maybe they make money as well. also fone, not your problem. i am simply saying that you need to stop seeing every interaction between people as a problem for you to solve. so yes, i do believe your mentality is a menace. you shouldnt be so scared of freedom. you shouldnt worry about what everyone else is doing. you shouldn tconcern yourself with what person A is selling to person B and for how much. when you start doing that, it ruins things. do i need to give my speech again about rent control ruined new york for many years, and still has left some areas ravaged? because busybodies like you wanted to set prices? just leave it alone for chrissakes
You read nothing, you check on no facts or you would not make a fool of yourself like this. With gasoline consumption trending down, motorists wonder why price keeps rising US gasoline demand down 7 pct yr/ as price rises Gas prices up, demand down | Business - The News Tribune Asked and answered four times already. You are getting lamer and lamer in your attempts to make a point. Hush!, Adults are talking here, Junior. Bullchit. I can talk about it all day long if I wish. I can bitch and moan, I can buy it or not buy it, I can complain about it and I can offer evidence to prove my point. I can discuss it on the internet and you can;t do a damn thing about it. Stop trying to stifle discussion. Just because you don't understand a thing doesn't mean that no one does. You are the one obsessed with what you imagine I am thinking, despite my comments to the contrary. Why don't you just shut up? I have never once tried to set prices. I just talk intelligently about them while you rant like a child because you don't understand.
i dont need to imagine what you are thinking, i know. you are thinking something poorly considered and often self contradictory. you imply things and then deny it. you complain of problems that are not problems. dont you think that if the earth is at risk from the burning of fossil fuels and the release of carbon, then high oil prices are very very important? and wouldnt that mean that the speculators that help raise the prices are doing a great service? why or why not? just dont want to.
What am I thinking now, hombre? Nope, that ain't it. You imagine things and then I deny them. You make up issues to suit yourself. No, I don't think this at all. Why do you?
why not? is carbon not a greenhouse gas anymore? i though tyou said before that we should reduce emisssions? shoulnd those that consume these fossil fuels, shouldnt those people bear the financial cost of polluting the earth? why not?
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Having lost the gas price argument, you are trying to link gas prices to global warming and it doesn't add up. Make your case if you have one. The fossil fuels are going to get burned until a replacement arrives, high prices or not. As demand increases prices will get higher, that is natural. Artificial high prices from speculation are still superfluous, unnatural, and a detriment to the economy.
what did i lose? my points was that you should either buy gas or not buy gas. seems true enough. people buy less of expensive things. gas is not completely inelastic. a detriment how? people buy things, it doesnt matter if they buy them to use them, or to speculate. if they profit, good for them. not your concern. not bad for the economy.
