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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Different is not a value measure. If they like it then bully for them. However one size doesn't fit all. These countries are much more socialist than we have ever been. They have developed their social programs over centuries and have historically been much more centralized than us. They stared as kingdoms where the king was the center of power and law. As they evolved to parliamentary systems , parliament assumed the king's power. They are also smaller; in size more analogous to our states and easier to manage. Look at the issues they are having in the ECU integration.
    We have had a federal system where much power has been invested in the states. Each state has a different history and demographic. I don't think it's a good policy to have central control of such a large portion of our economy in Washington DC.
     
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    I think, as you might imagine, that there is a proper balance to be found here. Both in state-federal power sharing and in government benefits/costs. It's never a matter of all or nothing, its always a matter of where to put the fulcrum to achieve balance.

    I think Europe is a bit too far to the "We're all in this together" viewpoint and America is too far to the "Every man for himself" position. Both are edging closer to the balance point.

    There are equal dangers in centralized power and in powerful states working at odds with each other. I think that the American state-federal power sharing agreement has stood the test of time and a civil war over it and has essentially found the right balance. It doesn't need to be shifted one way or the other much.
     
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    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Well said
     
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  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    see I'm not sure I see state government any different than I see federal government. This idea that the fed is evil and the state's are infallible is proposterous to me.
     
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    Neither are evil. Both can be misguided and inefficient. It is just the large size of the U.S. Makes centralized power unwieldy and inflexible. If a state screws up it only as an effect on that state. If the Feds screw up all are included. Also what works in NY may not work in Tx. As @red55 noted above we have had a pretty good mix.
     
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  6. LSUsupaFan

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    State government is closer to home and citizens can more effectively interact with it. That is why more power with the states will almost always result in more liberty for the populace.
     
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  7. Bengal B

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    Those countries don't have to spend billions on defense. When is the last time you heard of Norway or Sweden getting into a war.
     
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  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Imagine that, countries smack dab in the middle of Europe, the most war stricken continent in the history of civilization, don't have to spend billions on defense.
     
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  9. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    They are members of NATO. We do it for them.
     
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  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Why do we have to always be the enforcer.
     
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