FBI executes search warrant at Mar-a-Lago

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  1. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    You don't know that they were, in fact Patel has said many times that Trump declassified everything before he left the WH

    You guys should know by now, the louder they scream about "This time we have him" the farther away they actually are from "having him"

    Egg on the face again. Silly leftist
     
  2. Jmg

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    i was not serious, i was mocking them, and trolling giantduckfan who i told to meet me for a fight at sonic (i wasnt serious). you will note in the next post i said "i hope they burn down the capitol and make trump king", an then i said "these trumptards will tire themselves out". i was mocking the idea that we should burn everything and that it matters if you occupy the capitol.

    i dont think trump won, and never did.
     
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  3. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    But why did he have them? What purpose did he have for possessing highly classified information related to our nuclear program? Whether he declassified them, which is up for interpretation and will require a court ruling one way or the other, or not he still cannot explain why he had them. Why didn't he give the DOJ all documentation when they met earlier in the year? Why did he still withhold some documents after claiming that he had turned them all over? Why would he possess personal information about the French President? Why keep these at Mar-a-Lago, which by anyone's opinion is about as secure as a sieve? Why? Was it an accident?
     
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  4. Jmg

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    its not whataboutism. its a discussion of the nature of secrets. the president controls them, he is the boss of them. when the new iphone is secret, and steve jobs reveals it, he isnt fired. the rules about what is secret do not apply to the top guy. they apply to people he tells to keep quiet.

    seems fairly obvious he was doing nothing with them they were sitting locked in a closet or office. these questions are easy.
    i dont know that they were. and if they were, what do want them to do go get the papers and white out the pars that say secret?

    says who? so we have to destroy all the classified papers and print them out again without the words "top secret" at tthe top?
    seems easier to let them come get them if they want them so bad
    how do you know he didnt?
    when did he say that? i think he said the idea that he is mishandling info was "planted" in the media
     
  5. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Because the GSA sent them to him by mistake, already stipulated by them. You guys really don't listen very well. This is all fact but it doesn't align with your trump hate so you tune it out.
     
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    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    Seriously ... you would come away thinking that Libs are of the opinion that Trump personally packed all those boxes. Hell, he probably doesn't even know what is in them.
     
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  7. Jmg

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    regarding the claim that trump says they planted documents in mar a lago, i think this is another media distortion. when i look for quotes i only find trump claiming info was plated into the media, meaning talking points are being given to the media about, for example, nuclear secrets.

    i dont see trump claiming anywhere that the FBI planted documents at mar a lago, as the left keeps saying.
     
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  8. Jmg

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    ok, i found the quote:

    "The FBI and others from the Federal Government would not let anyone, including my lawyers, be anywhere near the areas that were rummaged and otherwise looked at during the raid on Mar-a-Lago. Everyone was asked to leave the premises, they wanted to be left alone, without any witnesses to see what they were doing, taking or, hopefully not, “planting.” Why did they STRONGLY insist on having nobody watching them, everybody out? Obama and Clinton were never “raided,” despite big disputes!" - trump on truth social

    trump isnt claiming they planted anything, he saying he was not allowed to watch the raid, and hopefully they didnt plant anything. seems like a rational hope that they didnt plant anything.
     
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  10. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    It was a poor analogy but it's irrelevant. I do not disagree that the President has wide ranging authority when it comes to classifying and declassifying materials. That said, it isn't limitless and there are caveats to that power. First, Trump's power to classify and
    declassify ends as soon as he is no longer President. Second, if those materials are re-classified after he leaves office. Third, and most importantly, there are indeed materials that a President cannot classify and declassify at will. One is the identity of spies. Another, and perhaps more important to the case at hand, are nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 stated that anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons are inherently classified and not susceptible to Presidential classification. In this case Trump could have "declassified" the materials but there are still classified and he is in possession of them illegally.

    But WHY did he have them?

    If they were nuclear documents it likely doesn't matter whether he thinks he declassified them or not.

    Okay, then why didn't they turn them over when the FBI and DOJ visited Mar-a-Lago in June of this year? If that was their attitude it seems logical that they wouldn't have withheld them to begin with.

    Maybe he did and maybe those documents deal with nuclear secrets which would render his classification argument moot.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...claim-unlikely-to-stand-up-in-court#xj4y7vzkg
    Here is a link.
     

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