FBI executes search warrant at Mar-a-Lago

in 2014 we had a secret drone thing going in pakistan. then one day obama decided to discuss it. he didnt have to clear it with anyone. the info that was huge secret suddenly isnt, purely according to the whims of the president. no forms to fill out, no permissions.

again the media is tricking you about things that are not very outlandish, because they sell papers and get clicks and eyeballs with trump accusations. they have been selling the walls closing in lie to you and @Winston1 for years and you are buying.

 

this should be stickied, as it is the end-all of this discussion, and will ultimately be referenced when this is over, by sad media who will already be trying to find the next excuse to reference the interminably closing walls

 

You all are so sad. You hang everything on whether the files were classified or not. Well the special master and 11th circuit disagree but as I said classification is but one of the issues with Trump’s handling of the files.
There are several other reasons Trump exposed himself to legal jeopardy by taking them and keeping them and lying about having them.
Do you really think just because the files might be declassified the information in them is any less sensitive? Do you think the files contained Melania’s recipes or Trump’s actual golf handicap? Classified or not according to the DOJ warrant they contained some of the most sensitive intelligence we had. Keeping them in a insecure office wasn’t protecting them at all.
Regardless of classification THE FILES WEREN’T HIS!! He had no right to them. He lied about having them several times.
The 11th Appeals court (2Trump appointees) finding was clear and a slap at Cannon’s ridiculous finding.
As it stands these things are clear. Trump isn’t getting the files back and the DOJ and national intelligence are reviewing them for two things. First and most important is the damage he has done to our national security. The second of course is determining his criminal exposure.
The walls are closing in and getting higher. Yesterday was a very bad day for Trump and more are on the horizon.

 

So a location with armed guards, a safe the FBI APPROVED and surveillance isn't secure?

 

No even close. You claim to be an expert shouldn’t sensitive information be kept in a SCIF? I doubt the orange blob’s office a MAL qualified. Likewise those armed guards were either Secret Service whose duty was to protect Trump or rent a cops who aren’t qualified to protect a shopping mall. Come on man.

 

Are you suggesting Xiden doesn’t have the same Exact setup at his personal residence?

This safe for Trump was there “while” he was president. It’s gone through all the requirements.

Unless you have evidence to prove otherwise.

Also, you do t even know what a SCIF is. So shut up.

 

That's correct; classification status doesn't matter to the the statutes he violated. They are government property, not his.

And this side argument is not whether he had the power to declassify something while in office... of course he did, on pretty much little process, nobody is arguing otherwise. This side argument, albeit pretty irrelevant to the crime, is whether or not he actually did. And of course he DIDN'T declassify them:

- His own lawyers won't attach themselves to his lie that he declassified the material, even when it would be a mitigating circumstance in the seriousness of the charges.
- If the materials were declassified he would have had no objection to returning the original materials; he could have merely made copies for himself. Instead he resisted several warnings to return them, and not once did he reply that they were declassified, anyway.
- The materials were far more valuable for profit to an endless mercenary scammer and grifter if they remained classified.
- He is no longer president and can't declassify something after the fact.
- While he was president he couldn't declassify something merely by thinking about it; the entire point of classification is communicating to others that something is off limits; the entire point of declassification is communicating the opposite. People don't communicate telepathically.
- While he was president he couldn't automatically declassify something by merely moving them to another location, either, especially when his own lawyers have protested in course that this was merely a storage issue out of control. If it's a mere storage issue then where they're stored wouldn't change their status.

And on and on and on.

 

Yeah, well, even IF the storage circumstances at Mar-a-Lago satisfied all SCI requirements (highly doubtful) trump was still required to return all the documents when he left office, and he failed to do so despite multiple warnings both before and after that date. He broke the law by deliberately keeping them and concealing them.

 

You're just throwing shit at the wall now. Which Amendment deals with classification and declassification of documents?

 

Why aren't Trump's lawyers arguing that he declassified the materials while in court where there is a penalty for perjury along with certain disbarment? Why hasn't a single judge who has heard arguments related to this case stated that Trump had the complete and unfettered ability to declassify with "no forms to fill out, no permissions."? Special Master Judge Raymond Dearie told Trump's lawyers that if they will not actually assert that they were declassified and provide evidence of such then he would rule that they are indeed classified. More so, in the 11th Appellate Court ruling yesterday it states "Trump has not even attempted to show that he has a need to know the information contained in the classified documents, nor has he established that the current administration has waived that requirement for these documents." Further, they stated that Trump had not submitted a record or even a claim that that he ever declassified the documents at issue. The Appellate Court, which is comprised of two Trump appointees and one Obama appointee, voted unanimously and went on to write, "In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal. So even if we assumed that Plaintiff (Trump) did declassify some or all of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest in them."

I don't know how these judges could be more unequivocal in dismantling the declassification argument. So your clinging to this pathetic argument that Trump could somehow just dream up a declassification is bull shit. Continuing down this line will only mean that you think you know better how the law is interpreted than federal judges.

All of that said, just as the 11th circuit ruled, the declassification argument is a "red herring." It's what Trump uses to defile the intelligence of people like you and poison your mind with information that is only good until it hits a court of law and then it all falls apart. Same for his election lies about the 2020 election. His bull shit moves through social media and conservative outlets like a snake slithering it's way through hell but what happens when he has to produce the goods? He never has them. To date there is still no evidence of election fraud but the true believers like Pride will go to their grave believing his lies even though he can't prove any of it.

You guys like to use the phrase, "got him now!" or "walls are closing in." You've based this arrogance off of the fact that Trump has thus far eluded punishment but you fail to realize that until now, Trump has only had to face other politicians and never a court of law or the DOJ and the laws we have on the books in this country. Two impeachments trials and the Mueller investigation, none of which had the teeth to conduct a real investigation or whose subpoena's meant anything or could be enforced. This is not the case today. The FBI and the DOJ aren't politicians playing the gotcha game on cable news. Their subpoena's are enforceable, the laws they uphold have consequences in our courts. Judges don't play when they are bull shitted or lied to. This one is different whether you guys want to admit it or not.