Expect a breakout year from Jefferson in 2010 and here's why

we can quote all the stats we want in hopes hes going to get it. whether hes tied with josh booty for 9th on this meaningless stat or not doesnt matter. this is often what fans do to convince themselves their eyes deceive them.

he's either going to get it or not.

til then we still had the worst offense in an sec that included vandi and mississippi st. that includes the confused coaching staff tutoring him. no staff did less with more.

theyre going to have to prove they finally get it, too.

everyone has a lot to prove. lets hope a radical approach is taken.

 

yes, yes and yes!!!!

 

One couldn't ask for a more rational assessment. I can agree with watching this season unfold with a sense of being cautiously optimistic.

 

and lets just say clair often has as good a pulse on the players/team as anyone because he actually is passionate about his job and LSU and follows it closely.

so Im going to lean with a big improvement on all fronts regarding the offense. staff and JJ.


also is it wrong that i thought the inception thread at first glance was a post about Jarrett Lee?

 

Here's an interesting read on South Carolina's redshirt junior QB Stephen Garcia, who is in a similar situation to LSU's QBs. Coming out of high school, he was ranked a better QB prospect than both JJ and J Lee. It talks about how he's due to have a breakout year in 2010, but also includes some interesting behind-the-scenes stuff from this offseason, thanks to an interview with his QB coach. For example: "I can’t go have a sandwich . . . without someone coming up and saying, 'How’s that (expletive) Garcia doing?'" Mangus says."

Morris: Garcia primed for breakout season | GoGamecocks

 

I agree with you, but I look at it from a different perspective I believe. My point was this...and apparently not directed at you.

---I don't think JJ is a great QB, or even know if he ever will be. I think he was a serviceable QB last year, and I expect improvement this season. I bet I can think of a lot more legitimate reasons to expect that than someone could think of to NOT expect it.

The reason why I posted those stats is because, to many people, JJ was not only not a great or even good quarterback last season, but he was TERRIBLE...and that's just not the case. If you don't like stats, oh well. But stats do tell a great deal of the story. Just like it does when the Lee contingency comes calling, and people bring up stats. You cannot deny the statistic of a record number of interceptions returned for TDs, and a very high number of INTs period. If you wanna go by just the way he looks throwing the ball, fine. But I'm gonna go with the results of his passes. JJ had a higher number of TDs, and FAR fewer INTs, and INFINITELY fewer INTs returned for TDs. I believe you agree with all of those STATS, so why dismiss positive stats for JJ? JJ has a bad stat too. Sacks. Terrible. He needs to work on that, and everyone knows it...including him, and the coaches.

You almost seemed to lay the entire blame of the offensive woes on JJ, but then stuck in the part about the coaches. There is much more to it than JJ's play. OL, running game, and coaching...IMO...are MUCH bigger concerns at this point. I have no reason to believe JJ won't improve.

Our eyes saw the same thing last year, and I fully realize that JJ had issues. But I'll go ahead and turn it around...and offer this perspective. Is it possible that, just because JJ took a lot of sacks and held on to the ball too long at times, that maybe THAT skewed some opinions of him...made some peoples eyes deceive them into thinking he is worse than he is?

 

I'm swimmin wit da fishhead here. JJ was basically a 19 yr. old redshirt frosh QB forced to start last year before he was ready, because RP bailed on us, and because Miles left a recruiting hole at QB bigger than he should have.

That does not tell me JJ can't get better, most QB's do with experience. I believe JJ will be better than last season. Will that be enough to get us to Atlanta in Dec? I don't know. With improved o-line play, which would help the sacks and running game, JJ may be enough; I can't wait to play the games and see.

I also think folks are a bit too harsh on Crowton, saying he can't develop a QB. The true and complete statement is that in 2 seasons at LSU, Crowton did not turn JJ into a polished 4th or 5th season QB with 2 years of starting experience under his belt. He could not, and nobody could do that.

Question, how long does it take to get 2 years of game experience? Answer, it takes two years on the field. JJ has one year of starting experience now, plus a couple of games.

 

To comment on your last part, I think JJ held on to the ball for too long B/C of the 2008 Lee show. I think he was afraid to let it go like that.

However, plays like you mentioned, it also seemed to me that JJ just didnt know what to do, like lack of Exp, poor coaching and no one showing him the ropes...

Lets be fair, I am sure Flynn learned at least a few things from watching JR play the same with UF's Brantley had to of learned valuable things from Tee Bow.

I think what JJ missed out on and what J Lee did to the 2008 team had tremendous affects all topped with poor rushing attack and a weak O’line.

Some can disagree, but that’s what I make of it.

I think JJ is a better than average QB who has all the potential. I think he needed a lot of help this off season and I think he got it.

 

Hey, that's what I said!!! You channeling me? :hihi:

 

I think this is a very interesting and fair point to make. These guys came out of HS with all the talent in the world, but little to no experience even watching a successful QB run the show in college. I guess the exception would be J. Lee, as he was on the sidelines for the 2007 season.