Edward Snowden.....hero or traitor?

Well, considering the IRS will has your personal information "legally", this is a drop in the bucket.


I would venture to say that there are two reasons.

A) If it is simply a matter of exposing the U.S. government, he did not need to leave the country. He created this perception. Right or wrong. Running to China being a hero of freedom just makes him look like a jackass. I am almost certain he didn't tell China anything they didn't already know. China has been hacking us for years.

B) I would tend to think that most Americans knew this somewhere in the back of their mind this type of shit was already going on and generally accept it.


Now, does it prevent terrorism? I am sure some of it does, but what we don't know is what all is gained and we never will.


I think the constitutional law bit is misplaced. The cyber realm is a new game, laws need to be updated. Not saying what the NSA is doing is right, but I personally dont give a shit. I also dont give a shit about this dude. The information he took isn't even close to what the US is really doing.

 

Of course it matters. Your outrage about the violation of our constitutional rights is unmerited given there is legal precedence for this very thing. Lincoln suspended the Write of Habeus Corpus during the Civil War is just one example but I could go on and on. Yes, we have laws for a reason but there is the letter of the law, to which you are referring, and then there is the spirit of the law, to which I am referring. I agree that these personal rights are nothing to be toyed with and that the Patriot Act likely needs revisiting, but these programs are working and there is no evidence to suggest that the information the NSA has collected is being used against ordinary citizens.

What does it matter? The Chinese are working, at every turn, to undercut the US by any means possible. They are not our friends. Regardless of what he shared it is treasonous.

Irrelevant and doesn't apply to this situation. The second part of your statement is pure conjecture and has no basis in reality. I suppose you will likely point to the recent AP "scandal," which turns out to not be a scandal at all, as evidence that the government is pressuring journalists but we now know that the incident in reference was a legitimate concern about a journalist outing information that could have prevented us from foiling a major terrorist attack.

Wrong. The NSA program is 100% legal under the Patriot Act. As I said earlier, the Patriot Act likely needs to be revisited since we are 12 years removed from 9/11 and there are surely adjustments that need to be made in that time frame.

 

rebublicans are outraged, when they weren't under bush, liberals don't care but they did when it was under bush, and meanwhile everyone is giving up all of their information willingly on facebook and twitter.

Welcome to the new America. Full of dumbasses.

 

Never say anything or post any pic on any social media site you don't want possibly coming out later. Some are just too dumb not to know better. It's like the ones who haven't paid their taxes in years but post pictures of their new boats and cars on FB, then wonder why they're prosecuted.

 

Or Aaron Hernandez taking photos of himself with a .45 he will be using in a future murder. Hahaha, I still can't believe how fucking stupid this dude is.

 

He also failed to police his brass, committed the crime and left the body within a mile of his house, and has a couple rental cars in his name w/ one returned with a shell casing in it. Yeh dude is pretty much as dumb as it gets.

 

not to mention that he is also being investigated for a double homicide that happened a little over a year ago. this guy is a thug, straight up and down, and nothing better.

 

LOL wasn't aware of that... this guy really is a special kind of stupid.