I agree he was basically saying he was poor and mistreated but still led a happy life, and through his lens the black people he worked with were the same way.
Defending his rights has nothing to do with whether or not his first amendment rights were impugned. In post #43 I clearly stated they were not. Can you not see the difference? I don't think he's a fucking dumb ass....I was referencing your comment. If the law in the state of Louisiana is such that a 16 year old girl can marry with parental consent then I will not take issue with it. I am not a resident of Louisiana. I am a state's rights advocate.
It's misogynistic....and no I don't think that describes his comments. Misogynists hate women. Does Phil seem to you like a man who hates women? I tend to think that what he recommends probably works for a limited group of people and if it falls within the law then I take no issue with it. Do I think it's best for ALL men and women? No of course not, but Phil wasn't talking to all of America. He was talking to men who likely believed what he did. He isn't standing in a pulpit on Sundays advocating that the country make a pivotal shift toward teen marriage. What I know is that he and his family are hardworking, devoted to each other, and seem to have achieved some success. I take no issue with that.
Thanks for the spell correction. And while I don't think he hates women, he definitely feels that they are inferior and they belong 2 places, the kitchen and the bedroom. My daughter likes to watch them and I'm shutting that shit down now. Because if it were up to him, my daughter would be married off and knocked up in 6 years, and be a brood mare and a slave to a man the rest of her life. What he does with his own spawn is his business. And he has the right to think and feel anyway he wants. But if I disagree, I have the right to be vocal in my disagreement. I also have a hard time believing Willie would be cool with marrying off his daughter while 16. I mean my great grandmother was 14 when she was married, but it's a different time. And I know he was talking about those times but that's not how I took it. I took it as him saying women need to brainwashed at a young age so you can mold them into the cooking, cleaning, child producing things they should be.
Wasn't trying to be bitchy with the spell correction so, apologies. I think in his mind he doesn't see women as inferior but definitely that they have a specific role in a marriage just as he thinks men do. What your daughter does would never have anything to do with him. It's all about you because you are her dad. She will see her place as a woman and a wife based on how she sees her mom and how you treat her mom. It's that simple. I agree with all of that minus the spawn comment. His children are not spawn simply because you dislike his opinion. Yes I think that's how he sees it....get a young woman while she can be molded into a certain type of wife. To his way of thinking, by the time a woman gets to 20+, she can become focused on money, things, and the monetary aspects that "worldly" influences have on them. While I think that's a serious stretch, it's tough to deny that advertisers hit the tween-25 market pretty hard and girls get latched on to labels, shoes, clothes, purses, ad nauseum and that adds little value to one's life. But let's say that a very small percent of young women actually want or are/can be happy with that type of role in a marriage....is there something wrong with that? Do they need "rescuing" if they are truly happy?
I don't think you were being bitchy, if I spell something wrong, please by all means call my ass out on it so I won't do it again. I however wasn't trying to be an ass by saying spawn. Maybe I should have said family, that's my bad I didn't mean anything by it because I don't agree with him. You bring up an interesting point though. If a woman is happy, like I'm sure his wife is, then where's the harm. I don't think there is any harm with him thinking that way, to each his/her own. I just have a hard time believing that Phil Robertson, even though he is educated from LA Tech, believes that he isn't superior to women, and anyone who doesn't think or act like him. And again, even if he does feel that way, so what, he has a right to his opinion. Something else that is on my mind now is how the hell are you making it there in California? My Mom and Dad live there and they are extremely liberal so they are in hog heaven. You don't seem to be California liberal, in fact far from it.
My take on the man is that he is a fervent believer in a seriously traditional old school type of marriage with extremely specific roles for both the man and the wife. It is his experience and it has obviously worked for him. When a person finds something that works and has positive benefits, it isn't uncommon to want to share. He isn't telling or demanding other folks what to do, he is sharing his story. Nobody has to listen. Does his line of thinking translate into a sense of superiority? Hard to say but I don't think that's his translation. In fact I tend to think he puts his wife above all else in terms of why the family unit is so important and that his wife is the center of the home. I would be surprised if he ever showed her any disrespect. This whole situation IMO is a Strother Martin....a failure to communicate. As a side note and expanded note on the topic....what women want and should have, etc is something that NOW and other women's right's groups have commandeered in an attempt to control the dialogue for everyone. I hate that. Women should have self-determination whether that means permanent bachelorette status, being a stay at home mom, marrying young, being an architect/engineer/retail sales clerk....whatever it is. When women begin to tell other women that staying at home to raise children or support the family in a non-economic way is stupid, boring, or unfulfilling, then we have a problem. To each their own. It ain't easy. The gubment out here has had it's hand in my pocket for far too long and they can't take much more. I am at a nearly 50% bracket and still have to fork out additional money for school, health, etc. It won't be long before I leave the former great state of CA for a more southerly location.
No, I will not back off my position. I could find more bigoted speak on a single Rush Limbaugh show. For God's sake, Winston, the right is like a walking machine for offending women, the LGBT community, immigrants and anyone else who stands in their way of their desire for a white, male dominated society. Don't believe me, just look at who takes which sides on issues related to these groups. You are the one who needs to open their eyes, Winston, not me. And the very same thing could be said of you regarding credibility. If you are going to create false equivalences in order to justify your sides bigotry then you need some self reflection, not me, friend.
the term "white apologist" is another term used by the right to justify their bigotry, nothing more, so drop the charade. It is offensive because it is not the truth and in telling lies about the way things were in those days is akin to an attempt to revise history. The right has been trying to revise racial history in the south dating back to calling the civil war one that was fought over states rights. It's just a bunch of bull shit and it is not the truth. PR is no different. People like him think as long as they stand behind their bibles then they can say whatever they want. I don't have to have been present to understand that what happened in those days to black people was wrong. Do you agree or disagree? I suppose that is the crux of the matter: do you think it was okay the way black folks were treated then? I am the father of two bi-racial children and I'll be damned if I'll see my children grow up in a world where ass holes like you decide it is okay to defend hate speech. And just because this fucker thumps his bible enough we are all supposed to think it's okay.
So you are willingly ignoring the broad range and depth of hate speech that comes from the left just because the right has it too? I never defended Rush or that coming from the right. In fact I have noted it and you have liked when I made note of it. Grow up NC yes there is hate speech on the right but there is a significant amount of hate and bigotry on the left. Rush Limbaugh doesn't cancel it out. If you want your children to grow up as you say then recognize that it doesn't matter where hate comes from it is wrong. And you my friend have the responsibility to call your side on it not hide behind the bogey man of Rush.
