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Give me a break Martin. Big difference between dogs and fish. If you don't see the big deal with dog fighting you need to view some video.

 

i do know there is a difference, my question is where is the cutoff. how smart does the animal have to be before we shouldnt let it fight. i am geniunely curious. what if i trianed fighting squirrels? how about monkeys? rats?

again, i dont like dog-fighting either.

 

thats my feeling. i always wondered how people could separate one from the other. just because they have an emotional attachment with a dog per se they feel more strongly on this issue.

i always wished fish would learn how to scream and yell. then when you caught a fish and threw it in the live well people would feel differently about it im sure. or while its flopping around on the land or whatever you'd probably feel a bit more guilty than you do now.


surely we dont like seeing animals suffer yet we have no problem eating meat that many animals surely suffer for that reason. thats no secret just out of our minds.

frankly none of it bothers me enough either way. im sure cockfighting might be fun to watch yet dogfighting would disturb me. however, one is no different than the other so i choose not to act like there is a difference.

 

both disturb me!

 

you ever seen those spanish fighting fish or whatever fight? most would admit thats pretty cool. it is. it doesnt disturb you enough that bolts thru cattle head or chickens suffering for hours getting whacked to stop eating it now does it.

its all relative is what im saying. we accept what we feel is ok for our convenience or other personal reasons yet despise similar things due to emotion.


edit: siamese fighting fish. my apologies to all docile espana fish out there.

 

i am not kidding there is a chance i might cry a little if i had to watch a particularly brutal dog fight. but i dunno how much my personal feelings and sensitivities should be involved with the law. i would imagine an immigrant from some asian country might watch a dogfight with indifference, then pick up the scraps for eating. i dunno where i stand regarding the morals of that.

 

no, i have never seen fish fight.

and i am not disagreeing with you on eating meat. growing up with a grandfather and father who raised beef cattle taught me that some things you learn to accept. but that you do it as humanely as possible. having seen the complete process of turning a cow into steaks disturbed me on one level. what i saw was done in a way that was probably about as humane as possible, but it still haunted me for quite a while. (thanks for helping me bring back that image from my early teens.) i have never seen a chicken killed.

but there is absolutely nothing humane about cockfighting and dog fighting. it is based on inflicting pain and suffering. and not even for the reason of providing food as with cows and chickens, but simply for "recreational" (for lack of a better word) purposes. to me, that is barbaric.

 

thats pretty much my point. surely we dont see a fish as suffering as million are netted then thrown in a tank as they suffocate. i suppose if it could talk and scream we'd see it as much more inhumane.

the innocence of a dog or cat is probably no different than that of a cow or pig. its cultural to a large extent.

of course dogfighting is a different extreme due to its brutality but the outcome is the same. having a chicken defeathered and hanged for hours then whacking its head off after its suffered is something we just accept because we dont actually have to witness it. nor have the same emotional attachment as we do domesticated animals. so its easier to deal with and accept as norm.

asians eat dogs all the time and farm them as we do chickens. they even had them on menus at some korean joints in california awhile back. thats repulsive to americans yet we eat squirrels which is a rodent, a rat more or less.

who is to say stepping on a cockroach is any different than killing a dog. US laws say we care more about dogs. its like when i watch discovery and a majestic animal dies like a bengal tiger it really bothers me more than say if a baby hippo gets swallowed by an anaconda.

who's to say which life is more valuable really when it comes down to it. if someone really claims to care for welfare of animals one really is no different than the other without being hypocritical.

 

i can buy it if you really are more disturbed by the smarter and cuter animals getting killed, and i guess that is the justification for the laws that protect certain animals. i mean, it works on me, i will happily kill all sorts of ugly animals, but i remember being upset as a kid when my uncle took me rabbit hunting and i had to lug around the mortally injured rabbits, which were the cutest things i had ever seen...... thats not a tear, there is something in my eye!

anyways, i accept that it disturbs people to know dogs are fighting, and it is pretty pointless, but also it seems extreme to lock anyone up over it. maybe a bigass fine.

 

I guess the point that I'm trying to to make is that it takes a "special" person to be involved in something so terrible, especially on such a large scale. But then again, this is coming from someone who will often let bugs caught inside, go outside so they don't have to die. I value all life, as it's the most wonderful thing anyone of us have experienced. I subscribe to the notion that life is equal no matter the species and all animals have a right to live and breath on this planet. Killing and fighting animals for sport of any kind just goes against our basic right to life.