If you read the whole thread, you will discover that only martin really has issues with peoples beliefs. There are several contentions going on here. Those who want their beliefs to be accepted logically (FLA). Those that can separate what they know from what they imagine (RED). Those that cannot accept that people have beliefs (MARTIN).
this is because we have been brainwashed to be a bunch of cowards about calling out faith. faith has been given sort of special protection, as if someone can spout nonsense and we are to respect it because that is their "faith". that is stupid and arbitrary and ultimately dangerous. in all other areas, when someone is dreadfully wrong we let them know. i "accept" that people have beliefs, i just dont play a game of stupid pretense that the beliefs are anything other than infantile fantasies worthy of shame and scorn. like i have said before, if you are not caveman, you should be able to think better than to have faith in magic. if you look at your calendar and the years dont say "BC" after them, then you should be more evolved and rational. we wouldnt hold hands and be happy inclusionists with folks that say the easter bunny is real. so why are we that way about the major modern myths?
well, to be fair, science has not disproven it. so it might be real, and it might not. and since there are two possibilities, and we dont know the answer, we might as well pretend that both are equally probable and just choose whichever makes us happy. so yes, the easter bunny exists and dont deny it, lest you be considered closed minded. please respect my faith.
martin: Do they really claim God told them to or do they claim their Muslim leader told them to? Where is this group of people who claim the easter bunny exists? Is it just you or have you found some others to join you in this belief?
martin: The basis for deciding Islam is wrong is that they deny that Christ was the Son of God. If you are a Christian you have to say that anyone that denies Christ's divinity is in error. The question is who is correct. Was Jesus the Son of God of not? That is the central question.
thats not what the other dude in this thread says. perhaps you christians you need to have a conference or something and vote on which side is right. well, if you have a book of wizardry that says jesus was the son of the grand sorcerer, and that the grand sorcerer was sad about his creations acting in the way he made them to act, and therefore had to have his creations kill his wizard jr, which was the only wizard jr he had, which made it pretty sad, even though the little guy just went to heaven and wasnt really sacrificed, and is in fact still sitting at the right hand of the wizard sr, and the "sacrifice" of wizard jr has forgiven the lying and fornicating of me and you, well then of course that stupid bull**** is true and i can easily understand why you are convinced. i mean, a book said it. if someone had the time to sit down and write it it must be true(but not the other holy books, those are not true of course, even though billions believe). makes perfect sense.
martin: they've had several of those conferences to clear up misunderstandings....very intelligent human beings have been involved and it's all eloquently laid out in Catholic theology. I can't help it if some people want to remain outside of the church and what it teaches. That is their decision. But the issues have been addressed. Some people just don't like the answers for various personal reasons. You are obviously well aquainted with the thought process behind Christian teaching. So I assume you are aware that Islam and Judaism also trace everything back to Abraham. Islam isn't anything more than a Christian heresy. But of the three they are all referring to same God. There has been some confusion regarding exactly the principle actors and who they were, etc. but it all revolves around the same story and the same events. Why is it so difficult to grasp the idea that the events took place and that the characters existed that are in the Bible....especially the Gospels. Nobody runs around saying Plato didn't exist or Alexander the Great, etc. They were there, the events happened and there has been some confusion among people about some issues. People are always getting confused but it doesn't mean that there is no point in trying to come to best possible decision on the evidence available to you. Just throwing your hands up and saying its all b.s. seems pretty juvenile to me.
throwing your hands up and claiming islam is heresy seems juvenile to me. billions of people believe it. they are so certain that it is true that they murder for it. if called into court to testify, you could find billions to be absolutely positive islam is right. where is the resident lawyer, because i am a ****ing idiot and i think he can help us here. also it should be noted that billions and bilions in china and india dont give a damn about the abrahamic god. weird. almost as if reality was dictated to them by the geography/culture of their birth. why are they so juvenile that they do not accept history? what is wrong with those juvenile morons? open letter to the filthy chinamen and indians: dudes, "very intelligent human beings have been involved and it's all eloquently laid out in Catholic theology." so it is settled, quit with the buddhism and get with the program. the catholics figured it out, little yellow friends.
