Does it have to be black or white?

tigerpub · Nov 20, 2006

Nice nutshell of what it is like to be Tiger fan from any perspective. I would also add. Some fans, myself included, are desperatly afraid of going back to days past when LSU considered a really successful season a trip ANY bowl. Not saying that we will not have future seasons that are like the current or slightly worse, but I just get nervous at times that something (in this case, a lackluster coach) is going to drive us back down. Then we will need 2-3 years to face reality and make a change...then 2,3,4,5 years to dig back out. I am a life long Tiger fan...nothing will change that. On the other hand, I CAN be ojective and call a spade a spade.

Having said that, I am absolutely not selling Miles down the river by any means. Two 9 or 10 win seasons...Awesome!

Thanks for the great post...good thinking.

CParso · Nov 20, 2006

It doesn't have to be black or white. There is tons of grey area here.

Should we fire Miles now? Do we have to wait till we lose a game besides to top 10 teams before we can fire him? What about at the end of the season, can we fire him then regardless of how we finish the season?

fanatic · Nov 20, 2006

lsutiga said: ↑

Personally, I like a lot of things about Miles yet, at the same time, I still have some reservations about some things that have yet to be answered for me. Overall, he definitely gets the nod from me because, bottom line, he’s produced “Ws’”. In addition to winning, some other things I really like about him is his class- no player arrests (that I know of) so far, family oriented, great recruiter (I think better than Saban), and sincerely cares about LSU and his players.

I do still wonder about his mental approach to, and how he prepares for games and I can go back to the Peach Bowl last year with the Cotton Bowl crap.....maybe that wasn’t his doing but I would have stood my ground and said I had a game to prepare for. We seemed unfocused for Fla. and during that week he seemed low-keyed and made the comment to the affect that it was not a big game. He may have been trying to down-play it to keep players from getting worked up but sheez. Ole Miss last night- which I did take for granted we’d cruise but had I been the Coach I promise I would have been harping differently.

It was broadcast last night that his halftime talk was along the lines that, “We can’t disappoint our Seniors”. Obviously, I wasn’t in the locker room, but if that was even mentioned, that’s bush league and sounds like someone who is dumbfounded. The coach needed to be in some faces and calling some people out and preaching accountability.

I like, have supported, and still support Russell but (even though the whole team was lax) maybe put Flynn in to begin the second half- wouldn’t have been worse). I don’t normally advocate that but have seen it provide a spark on more than one occasion. We won so he made the right choices but just like the Auburn game, if it’s not working, adjust, and/or change.

Now here’s the point I wanted to make: Just like fisherman talk about the “One that got away”, even if they win the tournament; or duck hunters leave the blind with a limit of ducks and talk about the pintails that they couldn’t get to decoy, so it is with college football fans talking about their coach after the game.

Why is it that we can’t be happy and still question coaches, play-calls, position assignments, etc. As soon as the smallest criticism is mentioned (constructive or not) the same sunshine pumpers interpret it as not being loyal. On the flip, when others try to point out the positives to counter, they get the koolaid crap. There are LSU fans who tend to point out negatives but others who are just as far at the other end of the spectrum and never admit to areas of concern- they can be just as annoying to the other. Are they any more of a fan because they’re always on the “Up” side?

Are we supposed to watch our team like we are oblivious to the “Game within the game” and just look at the scoreboard. One reason I enjoy this forum is because I learn a lot from both pessimistic fans and optimistic fans. Many here point our things that I miss during a game. I tend to watch a little more passively during the game, but it is possible to be a diehard fan and still question our coaches’. It doesn’t have to be black or white, at the end of the day, we all pull for the Tigers.

Just my thoughts on what I’ve observed the last 15 hours. Hammer away. :thumb:
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Personally, I don't mind constructive criticism of the coaching or the team after a close game and such. It's when I see the 'Fire Miles' or 'JR sucks, Play Flynn' threads AFTER WE WIN that bother me. If winning is the bottom line, then why all the hate just because the team didn't win the way someone expected them too? I think that's what most people have a problem with. Not just because someone has a different opinion.

pharpe · Nov 20, 2006

lsutiga said: ↑

Personally, I like a lot of things about Miles yet, at the same time, I still have some reservations about some things that have yet to be answered for me. Overall, he definitely gets the nod from me because, bottom line, he’s produced “Ws’”. In addition to winning, some other things I really like about him is his class- no player arrests (that I know of) so far, family oriented, great recruiter (I think better than Saban), and sincerely cares about LSU and his players.

I do still wonder about his mental approach to, and how he prepares for games and I can go back to the Peach Bowl last year with the Cotton Bowl crap.....maybe that wasn’t his doing but I would have stood my ground and said I had a game to prepare for. We seemed unfocused for Fla. and during that week he seemed low-keyed and made the comment to the affect that it was not a big game. He may have been trying to down-play it to keep players from getting worked up but sheez. Ole Miss last night- which I did take for granted we’d cruise but had I been the Coach I promise I would have been harping differently.

It was broadcast last night that his halftime talk was along the lines that, “We can’t disappoint our Seniors”. Obviously, I wasn’t in the locker room, but if that was even mentioned, that’s bush league and sounds like someone who is dumbfounded. The coach needed to be in some faces and calling some people out and preaching accountability.

I like, have supported, and still support Russell but (even though the whole team was lax) maybe put Flynn in to begin the second half- wouldn’t have been worse). I don’t normally advocate that but have seen it provide a spark on more than one occasion. We won so he made the right choices but just like the Auburn game, if it’s not working, adjust, and/or change.

Now here’s the point I wanted to make: Just like fisherman talk about the “One that got away”, even if they win the tournament; or duck hunters leave the blind with a limit of ducks and talk about the pintails that they couldn’t get to decoy, so it is with college football fans talking about their coach after the game.

Why is it that we can’t be happy and still question coaches, play-calls, position assignments, etc. As soon as the smallest criticism is mentioned (constructive or not) the same sunshine pumpers interpret it as not being loyal. On the flip, when others try to point out the positives to counter, they get the koolaid crap. There are LSU fans who tend to point out negatives but others who are just as far at the other end of the spectrum and never admit to areas of concern- they can be just as annoying to the other. Are they any more of a fan because they’re always on the “Up” side?

Are we supposed to watch our team like we are oblivious to the “Game within the game” and just look at the scoreboard. One reason I enjoy this forum is because I learn a lot from both pessimistic fans and optimistic fans. Many here point our things that I miss during a game. I tend to watch a little more passively during the game, but it is possible to be a diehard fan and still question our coaches’. It doesn’t have to be black or white, at the end of the day, we all pull for the Tigers.

Just my thoughts on what I’ve observed the last 15 hours. Hammer away. :thumb:
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This is exactly how I feel sometimes. People get so worked up and polarized sometimes.

andrew · Nov 20, 2006

only if you are nothingface..it has to be white:wink:

islstl · Nov 20, 2006

DownOnTheBayou said: ↑

yeah, they stunk it up today. the loss of Colston really hurt us today.
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let's see 590 yards of offense, 510 passing

Uh, no, had nothing to do with Colston being out. This offense can put a guy off the street at wideout and it would still be clicking.

Drew Brees got a little too confident out there and thought that whatever he threw was gold. He took 14 pts off the board for the Saints and gave 7 pts to the Bengals. That's 21 points difference in the score. As funny as this may sound, his 510 yard passing day was his worst performance of the year as a Saint. He cost us the game. He'll rebound nicely, however. The Saints offensive machine will motor on. I am not worried.

The Saints achilles heel on D is the play of their safeties. Actually, let me clarify that. The non-play of their safeties. These 2 guys (Bullocks/Stoutmire) could not support the run last week vs Pitt and this week could not supply any over the top coverage against Cincy. I didn't realize how badly we would miss Harper. Damn that injury.

Saints will win the game that is most important against the Falcons and get right back on track.

lsu-i-like · Nov 21, 2006

So, if we are a regular fixture in the top 15, with some ups and downs, and make it to the SEC championship every five years, is everyone ok with that? If that is the case I feel like the performance of the team hinges more on a few players than on the coaches, and while that is true with any coach, I always felt that Saban was an intangible. I don't feel that way with Miles. I didn't feel that way about Brady, but he has changed my mind a bit. So I guess Miles could change my mind as well.

Excellent thread.

Bayou Tiger · Jul 5, 2017

lsutiga said: ↑

Personally, I like a lot of things about Miles yet, at the same time, I still have some reservations about some things that have yet to be answered for me. Overall, he definitely gets the nod from me because, bottom line, he’s produced “Ws’”. In addition to winning, some other things I really like about him is his class- no player arrests (that I know of) so far, family oriented, great recruiter (I think better than Saban), and sincerely cares about LSU and his players.

I do still wonder about his mental approach to, and how he prepares for games and I can go back to the Peach Bowl last year with the Cotton Bowl crap.....maybe that wasn’t his doing but I would have stood my ground and said I had a game to prepare for. We seemed unfocused for Fla. and during that week he seemed low-keyed and made the comment to the affect that it was not a big game. He may have been trying to down-play it to keep players from getting worked up but sheez. Ole Miss last night- which I did take for granted we’d cruise but had I been the Coach I promise I would have been harping differently.

It was broadcast last night that his halftime talk was along the lines that, “We can’t disappoint our Seniors”. Obviously, I wasn’t in the locker room, but if that was even mentioned, that’s bush league and sounds like someone who is dumbfounded. The coach needed to be in some faces and calling some people out and preaching accountability.

I like, have supported, and still support Russell but (even though the whole team was lax) maybe put Flynn in to begin the second half- wouldn’t have been worse). I don’t normally advocate that but have seen it provide a spark on more than one occasion. We won so he made the right choices but just like the Auburn game, if it’s not working, adjust, and/or change.

Now here’s the point I wanted to make: Just like fisherman talk about the “One that got away”, even if they win the tournament; or duck hunters leave the blind with a limit of ducks and talk about the pintails that they couldn’t get to decoy, so it is with college football fans talking about their coach after the game.

Why is it that we can’t be happy and still question coaches, play-calls, position assignments, etc. As soon as the smallest criticism is mentioned (constructive or not) the same sunshine pumpers interpret it as not being loyal. On the flip, when others try to point out the positives to counter, they get the koolaid crap. There are LSU fans who tend to point out negatives but others who are just as far at the other end of the spectrum and never admit to areas of concern- they can be just as annoying to the other. Are they any more of a fan because they’re always on the “Up” side?

Are we supposed to watch our team like we are oblivious to the “Game within the game” and just look at the scoreboard. One reason I enjoy this forum is because I learn a lot from both pessimistic fans and optimistic fans. Many here point our things that I miss during a game. I tend to watch a little more passively during the game, but it is possible to be a diehard fan and still question our coaches’. It doesn’t have to be black or white, at the end of the day, we all pull for the Tigers.

Just my thoughts on what I’ve observed the last 15 hours. Hammer away. :thumb:
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Just kicking this to show Mr Know-it-all shane that he was not the only one, or the first tomqueatuon Mista Miles. I was never all in with him.

LSUpride123 · Jul 5, 2017

I only have one like to give.

shane0911 · Jul 5, 2017

Bayou Tiger said: ↑

Just kicking this to show Mr Know-it-all shane that he was not the only one, or the first tomqueatuon Mista Miles. I was never all in with him.
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